Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Korean War veterans (2nd nomination): Difference between revisions

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DELETE - This article was removed from deletion by Stwalkerster on 27 November 2008 for reasons that are unexplained. Previously, all lists of veterans (e.g., List of World War II veterans, List of Spanish American War veterans, List of World War I veterans, etc.) were deleted as they are cumbersome, cannot be complete, and serve no useful purpose when the category tag is properly used. Please support this article's second deletion. Spacini (talk) 01:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, how can you say this serves no useful purpose? You people are weird. Anyway it might be complete but it's not cumbersome at the moment. Perhaps it should be more like People of the Spanish Civil War but I like the notes. Juzhong (talk) 07:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there like some kind of trick to using the category tag? Maybe you can use google to get the first lines of the articles, is that what you mean by "properly used"? Juzhong (talk) 09:43, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lists such as this do not serve a useful purpose in Wikipedia; they provide no criticism, context, or analysis. As I noted, all other such lists were deleted many months ago. This list was resurrected with no explanations provided as to why it was restored. Your example of the People of the Spanish Civil War category is an excellent example. People of the Korean War would be an excellent alternative to this list. Spacini (talk) 17:07, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This provides context, because tells me who the fuck they were and what they did during the war, exactly what a category doesn't do. You people have a bizarre definition of "useful". Juzhong (talk) 21:42, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 19:03, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I agree that the list serves no useful purpose. And lest anybody accuse me of knocking the flag, let me say that this is certainly not a list to honor Korean War veterans. Why is Neil Armstrong on here, but his fellow Ohioan David Abernathy [1] would not be welcome here, despite a greater sacrifice? Because this is a "List of Korean War veterans who have Wikipedia articles written about them", and that is indeed covered by a category. Contribute to your local honor guard. Visit a vet at a nursing home or a VA hospital. Attend a ceremony and thank the veterans who are recognized there. We can acknowledge our veterans in ways other than making a Wikipedia list of celebrities. Mandsford (talk) 19:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  You don't think some people might want to avoid articles like Neil Armstrong's in favor of those who are notable for what they did during the war? Juzhong (talk) 21:46, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If I'm misunderstanding the question, please let me know. My answer would be "no" -- the list doesn't have information for people to decide whether Neil Armstrong is more notable for what he did during the war than any other person on the list; nor should it ever be asserted that Neil Armstrong is better than "this veteran", or not as good as "that veteran". However, the purpose of the list is to show "notable" persons who served in Korea, as opposed to hundreds of thousands of regular people who served in Korea. I understand the point about categories being difficult to search; and I'll admit that the it-would-work-better-as-a-category argument is one of the more idiotic arguments against a list (as if we had to choose between one or the other!). That being said, however, this is nothing more than an exclusive, members only, People magazine list of certain persons who went to Korea and who got the chance to come home and prosper in the 60s, 70s, 80s, etc. While both this list and a category can list blue-links who were in Korea during 1950-53, the category states, facts-only, no judgment, no point-of-view, that the persons within it also happen to have served in Korea War. Mandsford (talk) 22:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, some people on the list just happened to go Korea and had the chance to come home and prosper, and then some people are notable have wikipedia articles for what they did during the war. E.g. Léo Major, Zhang Taofang, No Kum-Sok. Anyway never mind, I can see from the votes below that this place is just a stupidity farm. Juzhong (talk) 13:51, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I wouldn't go so far as to say that this article was fresh produce from the stupidity farm. It's just that nobody at the market is buying it. Mandsford (talk) 17:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You know, by trying to argue and innocently making false and disprovable statements you actually gave me the impression it might be worth talking to you. Juzhong (talk) 22:03, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Unsourced, potentially a list of thousands of people, and better covered by a category. 23skidoo (talk) 01:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. An obvious case where a category is much more appropriate. --Clay Collier (talk) 13:02, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]