User talk:Sanchom: Difference between revisions

User:Sanchom/bar

If you haven't already sent a request for oversight e-mail: If you don't have time, I'll make it easier for you: E-mail me the user page and I will find the diffs and submit it for you. --TeckWiz ^ParlateContribs_@ 02:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your offer. I just sent the e-mail. I included the original diff that added the information, and another diff that updated the information. Is that the best thing to do? Sancho (talk) 02:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That should be good. What they basically do is delete the page and then restore all edits except those 2. --TeckWiz ^ParlateContribs_@ 02:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there - I've noticed a few of your recent edits like this one when patrolling recent changes. I wondered whether these users had requested that their age be removed from their user pages. Whilst I agree that it is certainly good to advise minors not to disclose too much personal information on their user page, I was not under the impression that there were any policies that state that these ages should be removed from their user pages, unless with their express approval. Cheers. Will (aka Wimt) 17:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've stopped for a moment... I'll reply here in a sec. Sancho 17:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. I re-read the arbitration commitee's decisions at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Protecting_children's_privacy. There is no consensus that states that these ages should be removed from their user pages. However, there is no consensus that they must not be removed. I know that the user page guideline says that I should not remove information from other editors' user pages, but this seems only to be a suggestion that I would follow in almost any other instance. I was going to continue removing until hearing an objection. Are you objecting? If so, I will stop and work towards reaching a consensus on this issue. I think that the removal of this information improves Wikipedia, and helps to protect all minors. Many minors post their age and much more based solely on the example shown by other under-age editors. Sancho 17:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You may well be correct that many minors follow a common example. However, trying single-handedly to remove all the ages from minors' user pages is going to be a losing battle given how many such pages there are. As you state, the arbitration decision on Wikipedia:Protecting children's privacy produced no consensus to remove such personal information. Although you are correct that there was not a ruling that people should not remove such personal information, it is generally considered bad form to edit another user's page if the edit may be against the wishes of that particular user. Although I am not going to object to your actions per se, I would recommend that you only remove personal information from user pages if it really poses a risk being there (eg. location information, contact information). I don't think just removing ages is a good idea. There are also a number of experienced Wikipedia editors (and administrators) that identify as minors and I think that they would most certainly object if you tried to remove the age information from their profile. So my advice would be to work on a consensus on this issue as you suggest and, for the moment, only remove personal information that poses a risk to the user. In those cases you will also need to oversight their edits because otherwise they remain in the history for all to see. Regards. Will (aka Wimt) 17:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly I would have followed a different route for the removal of information from the user page of an active editor, but these accounts were used only once, or not at all, other than to post the age information that I removed. One user posted only her age and a link to a myspace page. Regardless, I will start a discussion before continuing. See you around. Sancho 17:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well in fact, if users have only edited to their user page and no other encyclopedia pages you can actually prod their user page for deletion which would remove the page and its history. This might be a useful tactic in some situations if minors have just created an account, posted personal information and then done nothing else. Regards. Will (aka Wimt) 17:46, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. That seems a reasonable route. Sancho 17:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the speedy tag which you added to this userpage. Wikipedia is not censored, and users can add, within defined limits, anthing they like on their userpage. The comment you find objectionable does not breach guidelines.--Anthony.bradbury 18:36, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What about Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Protecting_children's_privacy#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soap_opera? I would see this (deleting the page) as an action that forestalls the drama associated with interactions between naive children and predatory pedophiles. Sancho 19:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, point taken. As the page in question is posted by a self-stated 13-year-old boy, the guidelines in my view do not directly apply. The page gives no detail of location or other means of contact. I would favour watching the page to see if a conversation develops. Please feel free to seek a second admin opinion if you are uncomfortable.--Anthony.bradbury 23:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm not uncomfortable to the point of getting a second opinion on this specific case... I'm still developing my opinion on these matters and am still learning what the arguments are on each side. I do wish there to be a discussion that is more widely participated in, however. Watching the page as you suggest is a good idea. Sancho 05:52, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I don't think we've bumped into each other before. I just wanted to say "thank you" for helping out with this. It looks to be quite the mess, judging from the AN detective work and User:Gmaxwell/orbicle. Jkelly 03:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]