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== debating ==

''Because I love arguing with Tocino. You should join in, its fun seeing him get all serious and upset and stressed out. Your not supposed to debate like a forum, but Wikipedia has no rules ;) Ijanderson977 (talk) 20:24, 22 June 2008 (UTC)''

:I hope you were kidding about that. - [[User:Revolving Bugbear|<span style="color:#006666">Revolving Bugbear</span>]] 20:41, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

==Turkey==
Here is more information on Turkey regarding Kosovo. Serbia singled them out and refuses to receive credentials of the newly appointed Turkish ambassador. Also President Tadic said he had been given assurances by President Abdullah Gül and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan that Ankara would not recognize an independent Kosovo but that they later failed to keep their word.[http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=145551&bolum=100]

How could they say they will not recognize only to recognize on day one? --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 12:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)



== reply  ==

I want to talk about Tocino and what we can do.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.85.175|84.134.85.175]] ([[User talk:84.134.85.175|talk]]) 17:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)



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== Tocino  ==

He has again called Prime Minister Thaci a snake. What can you do ?[[Special:Contributions/84.134.80.64|84.134.80.64]] ([[User talk:84.134.80.64|talk]]) 19:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I have done so.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.113.43|84.134.113.43]] ([[User talk:84.134.113.43|talk]]) 20:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


== Montenegro ==
Already this year majority of tourists are going to Greece. Many agencies have canceled Montenegro due to low interest. But private accommodation and B&B are still popular. But not because of Kosovo or any political reasons but because of the very bad infrastructure  situation in Montenegro which can't take that many tourists and then incidents like sewage spill into the sea happen (Montenegro is described as ecological state in it's constitution but it doesn't reflect the reality except for the ecological tax at the border with Montenegro). Also all these tourists who go to private accommodation bring their food and as of this year bringing your food is forbidden in Croatia and Montenegro which resulted in fall of Central European tourists like Czechs. The thing about the recognition has two sides - on one side Montenegrin leader(for-life) Milo Djukanovic has strong connections with Albanians and he owes them a favor but on the other hand he could loose popular support if he goes onto a wrong foot with Serbia (hotel owners, numerous Montenegrin students in Belgrade etc. wouldn't like to loose tourists with their money or the domestic student status). In the far end it could possibly even spark a conflict in Montenegro in areas populated by Serbs (North Montenegro, Bay of Kotor) or in areas populated by Albanians (Eastern Montenegro). So it is a tough call for Montenegro (when they say they have to do it because of the EU usual comments are regarding how can Spain not do it) and they will probably stall forever and not take a final position because taking either side could drag the whole Montenegro into problems and instability.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 19:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

==Turkey | hahaha==

I love you men, the link I sent you and what my comment said is that KOSOVA will open an embassy in TURKEY --- not the other way around. I went and made the edit myself; first edit I've ever made in wikipedia. Kinda cool, well sorta. [[User:Kosova2008|Ari d'Kosova]] ([[User talk:Kosova2008|talk]]) 19:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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== Tung *hello* ==

No clue but i know that a mont. official (rochin) has informed Kosovar Government people that Mont. will recognize soon. [[User:Kosova2008|Ari d'Kosova]] ([[User talk:Kosova2008|talk]]) 13:59, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:Ian, let's chat on msn. [[User:Kosova2008|Ari d'Kosova]] ([[User talk:Kosova2008|talk]]) 19:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== MSN ==
I'm on msn. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 14:19, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Chat. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 18:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I was just going to message you because I saw you were active on facebook.  I'm on msn. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 19:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Chat.  [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 18:17, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Chat. MSN. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 18:19, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you shall. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 20:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Ja. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 12:58, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Chat. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 18:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Chat. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 18:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Chat. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 14:01, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

==Tocino==

Please see it, that user is bad.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.117.237|84.134.117.237]] ([[User talk:84.134.117.237|talk]]) 12:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

:So what? What can i do about it? [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson977]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977#top|talk]]) 12:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm asking that you. What can WE do?[[Special:Contributions/84.134.91.168|84.134.91.168]] ([[User talk:84.134.91.168|talk]]) 14:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

::He hasn't violated anything, so currently nothing can be done. If he does violate something, report him to [[wp:ani]] [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson977]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977#top|talk]]) 14:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

He has violated enough things. In the german wiki they would have blocked him a long time ago.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.91.168|84.134.91.168]] ([[User talk:84.134.91.168|talk]]) 15:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

::what ''evidence'' do you have? Evidence is needed to punish him. [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson977]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977#top|talk]]) 15:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

You should now that by now, most of all his edits at International Reaction .....[[Special:Contributions/84.134.113.80|84.134.113.80]] ([[User talk:84.134.113.80|talk]]) 17:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

::well let me or an admin know next time [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson977]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977#top|talk]]) 17:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.113.80|84.134.113.80]] ([[User talk:84.134.113.80|talk]]) 17:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Please look at his last edits.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.89.206|84.134.89.206]] ([[User talk:84.134.89.206|talk]]) 17:52, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Have a look at International ...(Last edit)[[Special:Contributions/84.134.89.206|84.134.89.206]] ([[User talk:84.134.89.206|talk]]) 19:45, 13 July 2008 (UTC)



== Turkey ==

Hi, Please don't repeat your edits that you did at [[Turkey]]. There is a consensus from the talk page to keep the map the way it is in order to keep it NPOV. You are probably aware that your edit was controversial so please go talk pages instead of disruptive editing. Thanks [[User:Pureditor|<span style="color:#8B0000;font-family:Planet Benson 2;cursor: crosshair">'''Pur<span style="color:#ff4500">edi<span style="color:#ff7coa">tor</span></span>'''</span>]] 17:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

== ... ==

guestsd are getting annoyying, ip:84 in particular.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 19:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
:acccording to 84 im a bad person lol, look at my talk history.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jakezing|contribs]]) 21:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:lol. Spreche die deutch? --[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 21:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
:ja, mein ist, OK.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 23:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)



== Hello! ==

Hello!
::How are you?--[[User:123FM|123FM]] ([[User talk:123FM|talk]]) 20:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
::What is silent? 
:::Are you fear Russian people?--[[User:123FM|123FM]] ([[User talk:123FM|talk]]) 11:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

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:we could always have the admins start banning ip's with 84 in it, ultiamtly, wikipedia should be guest free, if they dont wanna take the time to register, they shouldnt be here, and the majority of vandalisim is guest, wouldnt you agree?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 23:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

==14/07/08==
You want to change the rules only because you hate me. That seems to be wrong.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.68.95|84.134.68.95]] ([[User talk:84.134.68.95|talk]]) 11:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
:no, i wanna di it for the better of wikipedia, if you look,more thne 75% of all vandalism is guest, and guests like you abuse the fact we can't ban you for breaking rules.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 12:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I haven't broken any rules and you should apologize for the way you are talking to me.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.86.183|84.134.86.183]] ([[User talk:84.134.86.183|talk]]) 18:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Hi! ==
Yes, i've created my userpage mostly like yours? If it is disturbing you, please change colors (i prefer red and white) because i don't know how to change colors :S Thanks and i'm sorry for using your userpage style.  :(   [[User:Aegean Boy|Aegean Boy]] ([[User talk:Aegean Boy|talk]]) 20:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC) 



== [[User:Aegean Boy]] ==

Hi, I was wondering if you could tell me how you came into contact with this user. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/89.242.104.114|89.242.104.114]] ([[User talk:89.242.104.114|talk]]) 20:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yes, that would seem apparently so, (apparently), but ''how'' did you come into contact with him? [[Special:Contributions/89.242.104.114|89.242.104.114]] ([[User talk:89.242.104.114|talk]]) 20:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::OK thanks, just checking... [[Special:Contributions/89.242.104.114|89.242.104.114]] ([[User talk:89.242.104.114|talk]]) 20:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Your edit on Talk:International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo.... ==

Changing the word "fuck" to "screw" wasn't exactly what I had in mind.  This is obviously your opinion, which you are of course entitled to hold, and could probably back up with imperical evidence.  But it is your POV.  Editors are trying to decide, reasonably, if Religions' reactions should be included in the article.  Everyone, so far, has said "no", myself included.  But to add "No, because religion <s>fucks</s> screws up the world" is completely unhelpful, and will only feed the article's vandalizers.  Please remove it entirely?  It's just not worth the potential battle that your "opinion" might create.  [[User:Keeper76|<span style="color:#21421E; font-family: comic sans ms">Keeper</span>]] {{IPA|&#448;}} [[User talk:Keeper76|<span style="color:#CC7722; font-family: Papyrus">76</span>]] 17:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:Thank you sincerely.  Much obliged [[User:Keeper76|<span style="color:#21421E; font-family: comic sans ms">Keeper</span>]] {{IPA|&#448;}} [[User talk:Keeper76|<span style="color:#CC7722; font-family: Papyrus">76</span>]] 20:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== freesat ==

can you please not acuse me of vandlism, th reason i never put the numbers in waas becaus ei didnt have the numebr of channel on freesat currently and dnt know the number of free air channels.

if you check i am part of the wikiproject for improving british tv channels so why would i want to vandlise?--[[User:Andrewcrawford|Andrewcrawford]] ([[User talk:Andrewcrawford|talk]]) 18:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:Ok i have now made the format that we will use if you look at bbc one that hwo we will do it.--[[User:Andrewcrawford|Andrewcrawford]] ([[User talk:Andrewcrawford|talk]]) 12:29, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah it is looking quite good now i will try and get all the frequencies added later going out for a while, if you can get radio channel added the same that will be good. not all the chnanel are on astra 4d some are on eurobird but i will correct that as i go through it--[[User:Andrewcrawford|Andrewcrawford]] ([[User talk:Andrewcrawford#top|talk]]) 14:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC) there is still some sectiosn missing lieks kids. dublicate of my talk page post.
:::The tuning frequnices and the satillate can be found on the channel page, if oyu click on the link for the pag eit tiwll tell yout he tuning frequnices and satillete for ones that dont have a page or tell you i will get htme soon. i will also references this very soon.--[[User:Andrewcrawford|Andrewcrawford]] ([[User talk:Andrewcrawford|talk]]) 21:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC) if all goes well we can make this page go live next week. i will do it via main article on the freesat page.

http://en.kingofsat.net/pos-28.2E.php Astra 2

and here

http://en.kingofsat.net/pos-28.5E.php Eurobird 1 

also check [[BBC One]] you will see

Availability
Terrestrial
Analogue 	Normally tuned to 1
Freeview 	Channel 1
Satellite
Freesat 	Channel 101
Sky Digital 	Channel 101 and BBC UK regional TV on satellite
Sky Digital (ROI) 	Channel 141
'''Astra 2D 	10773H 22000 5/6'''

bit in bold is the bit you are looking for

you might find on them links above more free to air channesl than you have on th iist just now--[[User:Andrewcrawford|Andrewcrawford]] ([[User talk:Andrewcrawford|talk]]) 22:09, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


i Have referenced a lot of it now, i have also started to add the radio channels. the links above have most of the channesl information available so teh tunign frequnices can be added. but ihave notice rte can be added manually to box that can tune in manually so maybe just list of free to air chanensl uk & ireland would be best.--[[User:Andrewcrawford|Andrewcrawford]] ([[User talk:Andrewcrawford|talk]]) 12:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC) if you ahve some free time to start adding the radio channels and any channel currnetly testing this would be great i will get the frequncies added maybe create the articel this weekend? also thought it might be better to list the channesl in alpabetical order.

== Indefinitely ==

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== Stable Balkans ==

Interesting map, but it is highly unlikely that ceding Macedonia to Greece would ever be a long term solution, because neither Macedonians or Albanians would like to be under Greek rule!Also, you might want to cede northern Kosovo to Serbia, because people there will never actually be a part of any Republic of Kosovo. And what about Bosnia? Republika Srpska? Very unstable as it is now...ceding Republika Srpska to Serbia, maybe as a compensation for Kosovo, would really bring stability in the long term...[[User:Velimir85|Velimir85]] ([[User talk:Velimir85|talk]]) 22:57, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== what do you think of this? ==

The world, a simple place, under the control of numerous powers at one time, now under the control of mainly 3, The Imperium, The Judges, And kastrov.

2034: The Start of World War 3, the major alliances of the NATOPAT and the ARABAFR come into affect, The UN ceases to hold noticable power.

2037: The russian federation merges with mongolia, belarus, and Kazakstan to form the Republic of old Kastrov.

2040: The Indian line is broken by pakistan. India, burma, and napal fall to the ARABAFR. Africa is invaded by from spain by the french.

2041: Tibet declares independance and war on china and the other aisan members of the NATOPAT. Early order of the judges are formed.

2045: In a act of retaliation aginst the invasion of egypt by the combined european NATOPAT, The ARABAFR nations of palestin, syria, and jordan launch there nuclear arsenals, china launches nuclear arsenals at tibet, destruction of the balkan Peninsula by turkish invasion.

2050: Imperium formed by merger of canada, USA, Mexico, central america, japan, Republic of old kastrov, England, france, spain, morroco, algeria, tunsia, italy, and germany.

2051: ARABAFR Capital of Baghdad falls to the imperium forces based from tehran. China merges with korea's, tibet merges with imperium, benelux merge with france territory of imperium.

2052: Imperium forces storm The UN building in New york city, USA province, start of Imperium-UN War. 

2055: Turkish Fortified at Vienna, austria, turkey leaves ARABAFR and formes peace treaty as turkish empire with the imperium.

2059: Second order of the judges formed in ARABAFR to act as assasians and secret soldiers for the shrinking ARABAFRT.

2063: after a 2 year seige, the second capital of the ARABAFR, mecca, falls to the NATO froces based in sudan and the african horn. 

2064: Imperium declares war On NATO, Nato and United nations merge.

2068: Republic of old kastrov ceases to exist, Imerate of kastrov formed, holds finland, russia, belarus, kazakstan, Northern tibet. declares seperation from imperium.

2069-2070: UN Stronghold's in norway fall to imperium, sweden capilates, start of sweedish civil war.

2071-2083 ARABAFR capilates, Persia, iraq, and New babylon merge with Kastrov. Imerate of kastrov replaced by the Union of kastrov, Then by Imperial kingdom of Kastrov.

2076: The african horn, southern africa and madagascar are captured by imperium forces, UN forces pushed to western and far southern africa, austrlia, southeast asia, south america and remaining territories in europe.

2081: turkish empire break peace treaty with imperium, invade vennice, slovakia, and poland. kastrov and turkey declare war on one another, remaining former ARABAFR merge into the Allaince of powers.

Friday, May 13th, 2090 First Ion bomb used aginst UN capital at sydney by Imperium forces. Sydney and surronding area utterly removed from the world, Imperium invasion of greece and south america.

2100: Allaince of powers Lose all but the territory of quatar. 

2106: Kastrov merges with china, korea's merge with imperium, south america falls under retreating UN forces.

2110: Turkish city of constantinople falls to imperium forces, turkish goverment in ankar splits turkey in half, west to the imperium, east to kastrov. 

2124: Formation of the judges by imperium forces, Australia, indonesia, and south africa fall to imperium forces, stalemate at the inter line in south america.

2131: UN fortresses in west africa fall to imperiums, Africa under complete imperium control, Inter line broken, Rio de Janeiro falls to imperium forces, UN forcess fall back to peru, chille, argentina and antartica. The baltic states, ukraine, and the central aisan republics, under UN control, isolated and under imperium or kastrov sway or occupation. 

2145: Anniversery of Nuclear retaliation in 2045, Baltic states cede selvs to either kastrov or imperium. Ukraine falls to kastrov, central aisan republics merge with imperium pakistan. World war 3 declared to be pointless, over 100 years of fighting by numerous alliances and states, US Territory of imperium Loses capital to the city of tokyo, then to mexico city, or imperium city. 

2157: UN forces Desert argentina and peru, chille capilates, UN leaders Flee planet to the ISS, Hundreds of captured UN forces tried for Desertion of a army by imperiums.

2196: World peace finnaly reached after Remaining rebel UN forces in asia, europe, afrika, and Antartica are defeated following the massive ion bombings of the UN fortress on the ross ice shelf.

2200: Judges begin to gain power, Are made leaders of the army of the imperium, Postion of Omni-judge formed and made part of imperium high council. 

2206: Anit-Ion bomb detonated on antartica, crater leading down to the land mass of antaritca. Imperium mass produces anti-ion and ion bombs. kastrov produces the first practicle anti-matter bomb, makes a controlled test in siberia, proclaimed a catastrophic weapon, mass produced by kastrov.

2210 Tokyo destroyed by super-typhoon kantin, THE WEAPON designed by imperiums. 

2215: switzerland, largely ignored throughout the nearly 200 year World War 3, joins the allaince of powers. 

2230: Judges begin to systimaticly destroy all oppostion to the imperium, Kastrov begins to build up for war, project USSR is started, leads to creation of the super mechanism.

2250: First Generation Neo-Judges are created, eventuly form lead the seperation from the imperium.

2270: Counciler akram, leader of the south aisan imperium, is secretly spied on by imperium leaders after being suspected of being a rebel.

2274: Counciler akram becomes leader of the aisan imperium.

2275: mass capture and liquidation of hundreds of political members in aisan imperium, Counciler akram openly declared to be a rebel. judges sent to arrest akram

december 25th, 2275: Counciler akram declares to many people in the city of hong kong that if they say no, the judges will come for them for treason. 

December 28th, 2275: Counciler akram is announced to have gone missing, judges kill hundreds of innocent people looking for him.

2280: Neo-Judges delcare seperation of judges from imperium, imperium-Judge war, kastrov finishes operation russian empire and operation tsar, creates Super Armor and the Adavanced AIR Weapons Base (AAWB)

2290: Kastrov declares war on imperium, poland and the other baltic states fall to kastrov, Judges ally with kastrov.

2300: current date.
-Well?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 23:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:The funny thing about this is the Macedonia naming dispute still won't be solved. '''[[User:BalkanFever|<span style="color:black">Balkan</span>]][[User talk:BalkanFever|<span style="color:#008">Fever</span>]]''' 12:31, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
::macedonia is never mentioned sadly, it just got cuaght up in the tirkish war and the subsequent imperium invasion, and i wrote it, a year and 2 months ago, and being american had nothing to do with it, it was a US dominated imperium for a while then became more world.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 02:34, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Piss off--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 12:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
::::never compare me to the idiots of this country anderson, i picked russia because it made the most logical sence, russia still (or atleast tries) to dominate its neighboring countries. so, never, fucking, say, im like an of the other americans in this country, ever, again.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 19:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::then never insult me again.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 20:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::Saying im like the other americna sheep "good ittle commy fearing boysd and girls who dont know anything" is a insult to me, so, DO NOT, DO IT AGAIN.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 03:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


== Re. Personal attack ==

Hello Ijanderson977. The adequate procedure is to remind user Jakezing that he has transgressed Wikipedia policies [[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:NPA]] and that he should not do it again. If he continues to be uncivil in the future, a block could be in order. Regards, <strong><span style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</span>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<span style="color:green">ö</span>]]<span style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</span></strong> 18:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
:I have also asked him to be civil. Please report any further incivility from Jakezing (or any other users) in the future. Regards, <strong><span style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</span>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<span style="color:green">ö</span>]]<span style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</span></strong> 00:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)




== help ==

Hi, [[Talk:International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence#RFC.3F_User:Avala_and_his_original_research_pervading_this_article|This]] is making the editing of the article unbearable. We can't work under such conditions. As I see you have been too under attacks from a different user. None of this should be welcome here. One thing is to argue (even a lot) about the content if it going to produce a consensus and a stable edit but it's a completely different thing to be attacked every time by the other party when they didn't get the desired consensus conclusion. So could you please drop a line there? Thanks --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 20:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks! Hopefully this nonsense will stop.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 17:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Btw regarding the other subject, intl reaction. Serbian Foreign Minister is traveling to ... Malaysia! I can't believe he is going to try to convince them on this matter and I can't possibly imagine succeeding in it. But it is certainly going to be interesting to see the press conference after the meeting. I don't know if you are aware of it but Malaysia was one of the most hostile countries towards Serbia regarding Kosovo - for a long time citizens of Serbia were refused to enter the country and their foreign policy intro on Europe mentions atrocities in Kosovo. Though the fact is that Muslim countries don't want to be divided, they would like to do it in a group and there are a few countries spoiling the fun in every region plus Jeremic has convinced Indonesia that this is not a religious matter (for an example Serbia did not support NagornoKarabakh just because they are Orthodox fighting Muslims as their actions are considered illegal) so maybe he will try with the same tactics with Malaysia. He is also traveling to Egypt, Singapore, China and Philippines though apart from Singapore these countries have already made up their mind. Cheers --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 11:11, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
::It seems that the Serbian Foreign Minister is doing two things - one is delaying their recognition by asking them to wait for what the ICJ will say (the thing that pissed off Britain and France which is odd if they truly believe their actions are legal) and second is that he is telling them how Kosovo is not a religious issue and that they shouldn't recognize just because of Muslim solidarity, the thing that worked in Indonesia (the fact that there are a lot of Muslims living in Serbia, two ministers in the cabinet being Muslim, Serbia recognizes Palestine as independent and doesn't recognize Orthodox Nagorno-Karabakh are all facts that play important role). Anyway USA is pressuring for countries to recognize which can be seen from amateurish recognition statement from Belize where they claim (without anyone asking them) how they have made a "sovereign decision" heh yeah right. Also I wonder what epithets did Chavez use to describe Colombian officials after the recognition of Kosovo last week. And Serbian President has asked Bush in Beijing to help Serbia regarding Kosovo - now I realize why he is sending Jeremic to lobby instead of him around the world, his diplomatic ideas aren't the brightest lol.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 13:17, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I doubt we are going to see a statement mentioning the frozen recognition on Malaysian MFA. At best we can hope that they will give the broad statement about the meeting that took place. But it's not much of a problem considering we already have a statement of their FM from a few months ago. If you ask me, they want to do it with others, not to stand out like Turkey, and the problem is others like Indonesia don't want to do it so it's frozen.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 12:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
:It's funny though how Malaysian MFA website still has an intro An Overview of Malaysia's Foreign Policy from Milosevic era saying "''We do make exceptions to the policy of non-interference in certain extreme situations. The bloody cruelty, genocide and atrocities perpetrated by the Serbs against the people of Kosovo struck our conscience, and made Malaysia support Nato's military action. The peculiar situation in Kosovo calls for pragmatism on our part in the interest of humanity whilst recognising the central role of the UN in resolving the problem.''" Though it's full of funny statements like "''Similarly, our adoption of the "One China Policy", whilst pursuing close economic relations with Taiwan, bears no paradox but reflects our pragmatism in the face of certain realities. And so are our relations with the west. There is no contradiction between Malaysia's justifiable criticisms of the west on certain issues and our continued acceptance of western countries as a market for our products and as a source for investment in our country''." Their diplomacy is really confusing indeed. --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 22:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

== RE: NATO flag ==

Sorry for my mistake and thanks for a quick response and fix!
[[User:Rayhou|Rayhou]] ([[User talk:Rayhou|talk]]) 21:48, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

:Let me quote [http://www.nato.int/services/hints.html NATO's website]: ''"The use of NATO photos and logo is allowed for non-commercial purposes with clear mentioning of NATO as the source"''. As long as we support articles on NATO and statements officially issued by NATO with the flag, it should be ok imo. [[User:De728631|De728631]] ([[User talk:De728631|talk]]) 22:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

:My thoughts exactly, I was already wondering why we had no flag templates for NATO... We should probably review our policy. [[User:De728631|De728631]] ([[User talk:De728631|talk]]) 22:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

::No need to apologize. :) And thank you for getting this into review. [[User:De728631|De728631]] ([[User talk:De728631|talk]]) 22:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

:::Hmm, that's still not quite satisfactory, and it looks like we can't do anything about it. Would probably be best to just leave the flag be and not use it. What a pity. [[User:De728631|De728631]] ([[User talk:De728631|talk]]) 14:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

==References==

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== Re. NATO flag ==

Hello Ijanderson. Sorry, copyright is really not my area of expertise and I might actually be allergic to copyright issues. Try asking [[Wikipedia:Help desk|here]], and you should get better information in no time. I had noticed the NATO flag copyright issue before by the way, hopefully we'll find a way to thwart the copyright demons. Or, someone should just draw one and release it to the public domain. :-) Best regards, <strong><span style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</span>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<span style="color:green">ö</span>]]<span style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</span></strong> 23:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

== South Ossetia ==

Doesn't it [[Kosovo|remind]] you of anything? '''[[User:BalkanFever|<span style="color:black">Balkan</span>]][[User talk:BalkanFever|<span style="color:#008">Fever</span></span>]]''' 04:26, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah I agree about Russia, but still, I find some of the countries hypocritical in their stance. This is what NATO did in the 1990's. '''[[User:BalkanFever|<span style="color:black">Balkan</span>]][[User talk:BalkanFever|<span style="color:#008">Fever</span>]]''' 08:48, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
::In Serbia. '''[[User:BalkanFever|<span style="color:black">Balkan</span>]][[User talk:BalkanFever|<span style="color:#008">Fever</span>]]''' 09:08, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== 2008 South Ossetia War ==

Your edit seems to have removed the base ref one of the refs cited in multiple places in the above article (I am not quite sure it was you, but since you removed the international reactions section...). Have alook at the bold red link in the Reflist. Cheers [[User:Ingolfson|Ingolfson]] ([[User talk:Ingolfson|talk]]) 12:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


:I have a question regarding photo of Bush. I think it's prominence in the article is too big for it's importance. Photo was not taken in Georgia or anything like that but at a usual press conference. Even his comment is hardly notable, I mean Bush talking about the respect for the territorial integrity when only 1 day earlier he said that the US breached intl law and recognized Kosovo because they are led by realpolitik, is rather silly. Cheers, --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 14:43, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
::Yep that article. I suppose you can erase it then.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 18:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

: I deleted your comment about "How did it happen" [ending up being black]. It's no place for jokes. It's war, joking aside. Sorry. [[User:Toxygen|toxygen]] ([[User talk:Toxygen|talk]]) 22:33, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== Volunteers ==

Hey I think its misleading to note mercenaries and volunteers in one sentence, we should note that these volunteers are from Azerbaijan, because why not add the Russian volunteers into the Russian strength-sentence aswell..? You see my point? I have no clue how to edit the infobox, its to difficult for me. [[User:Baku87|Baku87]] ([[User talk:Baku87|talk]]) 22:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)



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== South Ossetian War 2008 - Map ==

Hi, I've changed [[Talk:2008_South_Ossetia_war#New_Map|the map]] after your feedback. Maybe you could have a look on it and tell me whether it's better now or not? Thanks -- [[User:DanteRay|DanteRay]] ([[User talk:DanteRay|talk]]) 06:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

== [[WP:DATE]] ==

Arguing over the format of dates is a disruptive waste of time. English uses both; and we accept either unless there is a clear argument, backed by consensus, that one is vastly more appropriate to a given article. The remote connections here to the EU and the US are not what we mean.  Please stop. [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] <small>[[User talk:Pmanderson|PMAnderson]]</small> 17:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
:Such a bad thing? No. Less than helpful, on a talkpage overcrowded with more relevant discussions? Yes. Your arguments, like any general arguments which would apply at every article, belong at [[WT:DATE]], not on any given talk page; there is presently consensus ''against'' enforcing any consistent system of dates. We even have our own nickname for those who change such matters: Date Warriors; it is no compliment.  [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] <small>[[User talk:Pmanderson|PMAnderson]]</small> 18:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

== Chat ==

MSN, mate. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 18:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Riiiiiiight. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 22:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

We are online. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 19:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Chat. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 18:17, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Chat. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 18:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

==Formatting==
Your user and talk pages are a bit strangely formatted.  If it's intentional, ignore the comment. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 20:40, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:Well, it's just that you've got a heading about the page being operated from Leeds, which overwrites the menu at the top of the screen - or at least it does on my browser. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 20:46, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

::Yes to both. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 20:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:::No kidding?  Whereabouts? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 21:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:::Oh. Wrong end of the country.  Student or lecturer? [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 21:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:::I live in the Vale of Glamorgan now, but I grew up in Port Talbot. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 21:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:::You should fit in, then. Before long, you'll be able to join us on the Welsh wikipedia, I expect.  Good luck with your results, anyhow.  [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 21:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:::That's right, and I'm sure they'll be only too keen to give you lessons. (I don't really speak Welsh myself, but I can understand quite a lot.) [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 21:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:::Gosh, you're going to be busy! [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 21:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

==Hello==
Sorry, I am new, I have alot of questions for users. Can you give me that pro-Georgia icon, I support Georgia too, may I please have that icon, thank you :)[[User:Russian Luxembourger|Russian Luxembourger]] ([[User talk:Russian Luxembourger|talk]]) 17:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[[user:Russian Luxembourger|Russian Luxembourger]]

== Re: Idea ==

Not right now. Running again so soon would probably be disruptive. [[User:TenPoundHammer|<span style="color:green">Ten Pound Hammer</span>]] and his otters • <sup>([[Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer|Broken clamshells]] • [[:User talk:TenPoundHammer|Otter chirps]] • [[:User:TenPoundHammer/Country|HELP]])</sup> 11:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

== Llongyfarchiadau ! ==

I expect you can work out what that means.  Well done, da iawn! [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 11:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

:You mean, "Diolch" ! [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 11:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

== TfD nomination of [[:Template:{{ucfirst:European-English}}]] ==
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==Kosovo==

Change your behavior. Its very stupid.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.134.82.202|84.134.82.202]] ([[User talk:84.134.82.202|talk]]) 07:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Are you not in your right mind? Are you drunk? Or just mentally ill?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.134.82.202|84.134.82.202]] ([[User talk:84.134.82.202|talk]]) 08:34, 21 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Answer me!  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.134.94.15|84.134.94.15]] ([[User talk:84.134.94.15|talk]]) 17:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:::brap brap [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977#top|talk]]) 18:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Please stop it.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.92.27|84.134.92.27]] ([[User talk:84.134.92.27|talk]]) 20:12, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

::why should i change my behavior, also how is it stupid. I am right in the head. Im not currently drunk. Im not mentally ill. And i dont know what to stop. Brap [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977#top|talk]]) 10:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

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== Caucasus ==

Should we now make an article on international reaction to this [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7582181.stm]?--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 11:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
:Here it is if you are interested [[International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia independence]]. Btw can you suggest a better title, someone created it under this name but it doesn't sound right to me.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 15:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
::I am glad that Serbian MFA had cojones to say they respect Georgian territorial integrity. And I personally don't support Abkhazia at all, they remind me of Kosovo. They settled there and when Georgians left in a great enough number they declared independence. Ossetia on the other hand has suffered a lot more with genocidal actions of Saakashvili. I'd support Ossetia as an independent country but note I said Ossetia not S.Ossetia which means it would have to include North Ossetia too.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 17:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Well yes it has even weakened them internally. They might wake up separatism inside of Russian Federation. Anyway this might cause sympathy on Serbia. Ever since the whole thing with Ossetia began recognitions of Kosovo slowed down. Indonesia reiterated support to Serbian sovereignty today which is quite important as they are quite influential Muslim country. Well I don't think independence solves anything. Milosevic did horrible things to Albanians as you probably heard from those refugees but what about vice versa action. Former combatant of KLA and later Prime Minister of Kosovo has according to witnesses ripped out eyes of Serbian policemen and put salt in eye holes until they would die. He himself admitted killing Serbs in his book. [[Joe Biden]] called this man a hero or smth like that. KLA was on [[U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations]] as they received loans directly from bin Laden. But the money they received was used to buy supporters in Washington, [[John McCain]] in particular. They said "McCain did everything that we asked of him to the benefit of the Albanian people, including arming the KLA". It's all very dirty games. Washington doesn't care about victims, they care about interest and their interest in this case was the money without them caring if it came directly from bin Laden himself. Here is something about it from around his failed bid in 2000 [http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j022500.html]. --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 18:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think so.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.106.240|84.134.106.240]] ([[User talk:84.134.106.240|talk]]) 12:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== IP 84 ==

we really need to do something about him, because he is getting, annoying in his veiws.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 21:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

:They already know about him and I've alerted an admin about this latest episode. Hopefully this is the final straw for him. --[[User:Tocino|Tocino]] 21:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

::Me and you disagree on a lot of things, but I think your a decent bloke like they say over there. This anon meanwhile takes my opinions too personally I guess. It's not like I have that much influence. Take for example the vote to remove political parties. The final vote was like 15-2. I lost my cool at the time but I have moved on. This anon seems incapable of moving on. Hopefully they will get rid of him once and for all. :) --[[User:Tocino|Tocino]] 21:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
:::The problem is, how do you remove a guest with a changing ip adress?--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 23:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
::::They know he is editing from a university in [[Braunschweig]], [[Germany]], so I guess if strong action is taken then no one from that library will be able to edit English WP. --[[User:Tocino|Tocino]] 04:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::Why is he here? he's abusing the fact we can't ban his ip.--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 04:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::Wikipedia can contact the University regarding the abuse.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 16:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

There is no abuse. I only want to work here as you all do.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.63.65|84.134.63.65]] ([[User talk:84.134.63.65|talk]]) 18:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

:Then please register, i beg you. You will be listened to more if you register. [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977#top|talk]]) 18:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
::And easier to be punished...--[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 22:44, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I want to apologize for the way I treat you. I'm very sorry.[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux|talk]]) 14:37, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

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==Insult==
He has insulted you more occasions. You can report him and use his insults towards me as support. But I just don't want to go through that process. --[[User:Tocino|Tocino]] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

== Re. Insults ==

User admonished. Please report any further, eventual incivility. Thank you for contacting me. Regards, <strong><span style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</span>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<span style="color:green">ö</span>]]<span style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</span></strong> 21:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Who are you talking about?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux|talk]]) 19:42, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

:Thank you for your new report, Ijanderson. I have given a final warning to Jakezing. If you see further incivility from him, please report ASAP. Thank you. <strong><span style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</span>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<span style="color:green">ö</span>]]<span style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</span></strong> 17:28, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

==Re:URL==
1:0 I'm not good in that... As for me URL=link. [[User:Taamu|Taamu]] ([[User talk:Taamu|talk]]) 13:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

== Re: fixin' POV ==

Excelent work, Ian. I was beginning to lose faith in humanity.

On Ukraine: Remember the well-formed, well-sourced proposed replacement with Julia Tymoszenko's latest statements?  That should be retrieved from the archives. It's would have been in hte article, had A/T not blocked consensus. In any case, read carefully what is on the page right now, and convince yourself that the source for O.B. from the V.Rada strictly relates to a conference in February, and is completely deprecated.  It should be tossed. The other statements are not Ukraine's, either, unlike Slovakia's.  And theyh are noncommittal.  Julia Tymoshenko's statements, being relatively recent, are the most useful. In any case, all she is saying, is that they will carefully consider it. It might be worthwhile to hunt up some more recent Ukrainian statements. I'm sure that after Georgia War, they are more likely to say something more about Kosovo, one way or another.

Note that DaQurin already asked that India's write-up be put in line with the official communiques of that foreign ministry.  If India ever wants to use as strong anti-Kosovo language as Russia uses, they sure can and will. But they have not, not counting what is attirbuted by the Serbian sources to Indian ambassador in Serbia, which as you can extrapolate, is rather unreliable, what with his role being keepiing channels open and cooperation going between India and his host country.  We need ot bring this write-up conservatively in line with known Indian MFA stance.  Ditto for China.

The alternative to the above always was, and I said so, forgetting ascribing reactions to states, and explicitly collecting all prominent individual persons's reactions, then grouping them by country of origin. But we haven't done that, and you can't have your cake and eat it too. :) Best,  --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 16:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

:I made some improvements to that Ian-Marek page/subpage you created, among other things, making the table more readable, explaining better why, and inviting any other editor to help. Also, by adding the done flag legend. And I worked some on Ukraine. It now needs looking for more current statemetns. If none found, it's ready to go. Take a look. 

:Bosnia next? --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 05:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

::Answered on my page for transparency. Best, --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 09:32, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Cuba {{done}}. Would you like to do the honors? China and India are now substantially better than what is in the article, but each requires finding non-Russian sources, non partisan. Ideally, the Indian Ambassador in Serbia should be supplanted by Indian MFA statements of similar content, if they exist, but I doubt that they do. Local ambassadors quoted in local press of a partisan country involved in the dispute is not exactly reliable international sourcing. Best wishes, --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 08:46, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

== Chat ==

I'm online.  [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 18:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm online. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 18:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm online, but I don't think msn is working, mate. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 19:52, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

== Inappropriate comments on the talkpage of the [[International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence]] article ==

Hello, ljanderson977. For your information, I have deleted several comments made by you and two other users from the talkpage of the article mentioned above per [[WP:FORUM]]. Please keep your discussions on article talk pages devoted to improvement of the article and not general discussion. Thank you. [[User:AVand|<span style="color:#000000">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#FF0000">'''Vand'''</span>]][[User Talk:AVand|<sup><span style="color:blue">talk</span></span></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/AVand|<sub><span style="color:green">contribs</span></sub>]] 22:12, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
:Hi, ljanderson, thanks for the reply. Warnings are usually placed on individual user pages and not on article talk pages, again per [[WP:FORUM]]. Kind regards, [[User:AVand|<span style="color:#000000">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#FF0000">'''Vand'''</span>]][[User Talk:AVand|<sup><span style="color:blue">talk</span></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/AVand|<sub><span style="color:green">contribs</span></sub>]] 22:23, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
::Hi again, ljanderson977. Yet again, [[WP:FORUM|Wikipedia is not a forum]] and the comments made by you and the two other users violate the policy. If you want to make sure that the other user understands why he has been warned, please provide a diff of the revision or a link to the revision itself in the text of the warning given. Striking your edits does not make any difference in this particular case. I will have to revert your edit for the last time and if you will still be unhappy with it, feel free to revert it. In case you do, I will ask an administrator for advice so he can help us settle the dispute.
P.S. Noone prevents you from posting the warning on the usertalk pages of all the users involved.  Cheers, [[User:AVand|<span style="color:#000000">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#FF0000">'''Vand'''</span></span>]][[User Talk:AVand|<sup><span style="color:blue">talk</span></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/AVand|<sub><span style="color:green">contribs</span></sub>]] 22:30, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Diff of the revert [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence&diff=236118187&oldid=236116404 here]. Feel free to revert again if you disagree. [[User:AVand|<span style="color:#000000">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#FF0000">'''Vand'''</span></span>]][[User Talk:AVand|<sup><span style="color:blue">talk</span></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/AVand|<sub><span style="color:green">contribs</span></sub>]] 22:38, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
::::I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Malinaccier&diff=236122603&oldid=236098633 notified an administrator] on the subject so he can help us settle the situation. Kind regards, [[User:AVand|<span style="color:#000000">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#FF0000">'''Vand'''</span></span>]][[User Talk:AVand|<sup><span style="color:blue">talk</span></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/AVand|<sub><span style="color:green">contribs</span></sub>]] 22:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

== Removal of neutrality disputed tag ==

Before removing the tag on [[International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia]] in regards to the opening statement, this needs to be discussed [[Talk:International_recognition_of_Abkhazia_and_South_Ossetia#Abkhazia_and_South_Ossetia_are_de_facto_independent_areas_within_Georgia.27s_borders.|here]], as the statement does '''not''' take into account the POV of Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Russia and Nicaragua; with undoubtedly more to follow. A statement from the UN from '''April''' does not cut it when the article is in relation to recognition from '''August'''. We need to strive for [[WP:NPOV]] on all articles, in which all POVs are presented with balance, and that statement is totally NPOV. --[[User:Russavia|Russavia]] <sup>[[User talk:Russavia|Dialogue]] [[Special:Contributions/Russavia|Stalk me]]</sup> 22:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

== International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence ==

Why are you doing it?[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux|talk]]) 17:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Please help me.[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux|talk]]) 19:32, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

== Conspiracy ==
Haven't heard of it but it sounds interesting. Some lower officials of Russia have recently stated that Russia could maybe recognise Kosovo but only to say day after how they were misinterpreted (whether it was vodka or they revealed what they weren't suppose to do I am not sure). I don't get Russia though. They are risking another Chechen war and what not over some silly region of 70k in Georgia. Interestingly in the last couple of days French media started writing about the proposal to revert the decisions regarding Kosovo and Ossetia and then make a conference or something where their status would be agreed finally. Some Italian ministers have also said that even though they disagree that Kosovo and Abkhazia/Ossetia are the same they agree that Kosovo set a bad precedent for ethnic separatism. Serbia is waiting to see how the ICJ proposal will go at the UN GA. If it goes through Serbia will undoubtedly win the case because no international document allows a secession of administrative regions and Georgia could follow suit and ask for the same decision regarding its regions. On the other hand if the majority of states vote against Serbia then Republika Srpska will declare independence (they said if the majority in the world accept Kosovo they will do it). Also if Montenegro decides to recognise Kosovo it might cause huge problems for them, major part of northern and coastal municipalities are populated by Serbs and they could ask for the ethnic secession. Of course Hungarians in Slovakia, Romania and also some in Serbia will declare independence too. You can see how out of all countries that have serious separatist issues only Turkey (and perhaps Canada) recognised Kosovo. All others are very reluctant including those who don't want to ignite separatism which doesn't exist atm like Montenegro. And again as for Russia recognising, it would first mean that all relations between Russia and Serbia have ended (you might have noticed how Serbia reacted much stronger in case of Czech recognition than Finnish or similar) plus it would be a first major blow (it takes only one) for Putin-Medvedev as many Russians are all about those Slavic unity, long live Milosevic etc. things.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 22:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah well Russia never treats its allies normally, rather like retarded children lol. There is also another conspiracy theory that the EU doesn't want that many Muslims in so they refuse Turkey, they carved Kosovo out and they will not object the dissolution of Bosnia.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 22:31, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
::No wonder Austria is against, they are also against Serbia (not officially but the population is) because of the very big % these two nations have in the Austrian demographics and considering that those Serbs and Turks who live there aren't exactly the best examples of these nations, they are cheap work force, primitive etc. and so Austrians judge Serbia and Turkey through them. On the other hand some countries that have higher educated Serbs like the UK or Nordic they don't mind Serbia at all as they have no negative experience.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 23:08, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Interestingly only a short time after the independence and recognition of Abkhazia/Ossetia Dick Cheney went to Tbilisi. It's very similar to Medvedev's visit to Belgrade only a week or so after Kosovo declared independence. I suppose both visits were made to reiterate vocal if not active support lol. --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 19:28, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
::::What to say about McCain then? He sent Cindy lol.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 21:57, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Forgive me, but I could not let that slide, Avala. Maybe you should read [[Cindy McCain|her biogram]] and get out some more. She is a humanitarian with a loooong record of working in crisis/war-torn/impoverished locales. They adopted a Bangladeshi girl from an orphanage, when she brought her to the States for surgical correction of grossly deformed (cleft) palate. She did not perform quasi-diplomatic/political functions in Georgia AFAIK. By the way, Cyndi is a pilot and a race car driver. Quite an American girl. :) Best, --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 08:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::And you have just described [[Angelina Jolie]] ;) --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 21:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Well, it is a 300 mln population, after all, with commers from all places. There's bound to be more than one famous girl fitting a profile. Actually, it's quite the case, historically, for American girls to buck the local cultural stereotype of what a local girl is good for. See [[Sacagawea]], [[Annie Oakley]] or [[Harriet Tubman]]. Like I said, laughing at this one appearing in Georgia is not getting it. :) --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 07:39, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

== [[User: Jazeking]] ==

I'v had some problems with him. Please have a look at my site and his.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.110.159|84.134.110.159]] ([[User talk:84.134.110.159|talk]]) 18:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry I wasn't logged in. I'm [[Special:Contributions/84.134.110.159|84.134.110.159]] ([[User talk:84.134.110.159|talk]]) 19:23, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

== Macedonia ==

Here is a new source, which says that they will recognize Kosovo on the 23th September.

* [http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=09&dd=06&nav_id=53277]

[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux|talk]]) 12:29, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

== POV ==

In general it's all good and contributive but I had to remove summarization in Bosnia, its too dangerous as anyone could resort to summarize the position of other countries. Simply there are quoted statements and let the readers decide. I hope you agree on this one. Also I have finally made in between Slovakia entry because having only the MFA statement if bad, it talks about a period (4 months as we learned from the FMinister) in which Slovakia will decide but that has passed and they have made a decision. So I have included a little bit from the boiler plate statement, a bit from the Government (those statements that distinct them from other countries) to have a balanced, not too long and informative entry. I have also fixed Israel which no one mentioned but the entry was a catastrophe with no named statements, some journalism speculation even. I have also worked a bit on technical things to have some consistency in entries. Also I have removed Bahrain - nothing on recognition for which the article deals with. Serbia too has talked about the ned to develop economy ties with Kosovo because Serbia considers it to be a different economical system, it signs international economy agreements excluding Kosovo all consistent with the Hong Kong policy that Kosovo should be a SAR. So it didn't say much. Cheers, --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 21:20, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
:'''Comment @Avala:''' In general, Wikipedia consists of "summarization", and not POV selection of quotes left to fend for themselves, all carefully chosen from biased (or giving appearance of bias) sources.  Why don't we throw the whole thing out and write an Avalopedia, where we only have quotes and sources (impeccably sourcing to crappy, selected with one point of view in mind, partisan sources)?  Avala, you're chronically undoing the NPOV writing of this article. Please point to one principle or guideline of Wikipedia that discourages "summarization". That this would be undesirable is only your lone, meritoriously unsound viewpoint. IMHO you are either deliberately or unwittingly protesting writing texts by Wikipedians to advance partisan content constructed by selective copy-and-paste of sources.
:Avala, we are trying to clean up this article, an effort in large measure necessary,k because you have infested it with partisan, often off-topic content (individuals's reaction, not that of states).  This point has been raised by more people than myself.  I asked you, the latest such request of many, to find non-Russian (i.e. non-partisan) sourcing for the BRIC meeting, and your reply was not constructive: there already are 4 sources and Brazil did not take part in the issued communique on Kosovo.  [[user:DaQuirin]] asked you, Avala, already on the [[talk:international reaction to the 2008 declaration of independence by Kosovo]] to clean up India, because it is sourced (by you) to Russian choice of language not used by China or India in their official communiques, sourced to Russian sources. I have repeatedly now cited his request to you in ensuing discussion, but damn, you are just impervious to suggestion.  
:Ian, I suggest we take turns reverting this editor's demonstrated intransigent refusal to write a neutral, sourced beyond reproach encyclopedia in this subject matter of Kosovo. I hoped for his cooperation when faced with concerted effort to right this Wikipedia wrong, but I am sadly let down one more time. --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 08:56, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
::Hey Mareklug you readded non working references, removed wikification, removed fact templates etc. in a hysterical mass revert of my edits. Who is going to listen to you?--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 18:37, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I thought you would know better than to remove wikification. Despite different view on Kosovo you haven't resorted to destructive edits until today. I was very shocked to see you went on a mass revert too.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 19:06, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
:You fixed ~5 out of ~30. That's not really fixing.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 19:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh an please do not put outdated information as final. What is that all about? That's actually the thing that bothers me more than mass careless reverts. We don't keep the "George W. Bush took note of the declaration of independence" for a good reason, because something happened afterwards. --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 19:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem there it's just that I spent a lot of time on fixing these small errors and didn't appreciate them getting removed. It was Mareklug though not you who initiated it. Anyway you can see [[Talk:International_reaction_to_the_2008_declaration_of_independence_by_Kosovo#Link_maintenance_for_the_section_.22States_which_formally_recognise_Kosovo_as_independent_-_UN_member_states.22|here]] for the fixes I couldn't finish, maybe you can help (since IP84 is all but helping)?--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 22:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


If my objections to India and PRC can be addressed ie. removal of statements for which we have no source (India has yet to come up with FINAL position as if we know that they are going for some kind of finalization in this case I suppose recognition) and the utter nonsense : Lavrov "read a statement purportedy reflecting their joint position, phrased in language not used by India or China elsewhere before or since." (Did you ever see an EU meeting where ministers read the same statement one by one in various languages? I haven't.) I am quite ready to support the proposal and join the consensus ship and I think consensus should be a compromise worked solution (In Wiki consensus is not a poll voting but a minimum agreement reached by all sides for a win-win situation where everyone gives up a little bit but the final product is agreed to by all members).--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 10:44, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


China is OK I suppored it and I cut India a little bit further, I think you will agree to it as it completely omits any comments, it's just quotes so let the readers decide.

Btw Serbian FM is in Egypt at the Arab League meeting today trying to convince Saudis not to recnogise. We'll see what comes out, they will probably be even tougher than those SE Asians for him but apparently Egypt is helping in lobbying (the thing they called reluctance of Arabic countries to recnogise in Kosovo is probably related because they always try to act together so if Egypt, Kuwait, Algeria don't do it Saudis stop being so eager not just in this case but for all global issues).--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 11:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
:Also Serbia is a good friend of Arabs because for decades it lobbied for Palestine as part of Yugoslavia (although they were kind of angry after Srebrenica massacre happened). Of course Israel and the USA weren't jumping out of joy but you can't be friends with everyone and Serbs and Jews are tied with all the holocaust thing anyway. So Serbia tells Israel that if they recognise Kosovo it's like recognising Palestine and it tells to Arabs how they should return the favor for Serbia recognising Palestine as independent ~20 years ago. In the end GWB tried to appease Muslims by giving Kosovo independence and it turned out that only Turkey (+ colony of Afghanistan) recognised. Anyway Jeremic also said how he made contacts with 150 countries regarding the issue so far and that he is going to make 70 bilateral meetings in the following weeks either at the UN or like this at Arab League and similar. I think many countries respect the change in Serbia to solve things diplomatically not by shelling Kosovo (like Georgia did in their problem) and also low demands for Kosovo only to be part of Serbia at the UN but other than that they are free to act as they please.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 12:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Mareklug has lost it completely, he is now removing my comments from the talk page. He is also going against compromise quite stubbornly and acts to be the smartest while the rest is a stupid bunch manipulated by Avala to believe that a statement without a source is OR which is annoying. --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 12:46, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
::And now he made an edit request by summary "reply with additional NEW CHINESE EVIDENCE and <nowiki>{{editprotect}}</nowiki> activated, because we have conseensus.". Needless to mention that "new evidence" was something regarding Tajikistan, Abkhazia and what not.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 16:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

== Russia and the Caucasus ==

IF we were to apply wiki policy to international politics, wouldn't you agree that Russia is annoyingly violating [[WP:POINT]]? '''[[User:BalkanFever|<span style="color:black">Balkan</span>]][[User talk:BalkanFever|<span style="color:#008">Fever</span>]]'''<sup>[[User:BalkanFever/no|<span style="color:#F62817">not a fan? say so!</span>]]</sup> 09:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

== heh ==

So i'm the enemy now? Makes it hard to fight POV if you remove the people in our group working to do that, do you not agree?

and beyond the kosovo article, i edit, many articles. --[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 13:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

He is behaving toward you like to me.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.97.116|84.134.97.116]] ([[User talk:84.134.97.116|talk]]) 19:24, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

== Kosovo ==

Yeah I suppose they don't feel like doing it yet. It seems that the UK and Sweden might support the ICJ initiative of Serbia (the first doesn't want to deprive anyone of the right to seek justice and the second one says how they believe in legality of their decision and international law and have nothing against lawyers dealing with issue). On the other hand the US and France oppose it. Jeremic said how some of those who recognised told him if the ICJ rules in favor of Serbia they are willing to withdraw their decision. He refused to name them but I can imagine those to be Czechs and such who were reluctant but also those who might not like the precedent spreading despite the initial welcome approach to Kosovo ie. Turkey. And regarding our article here on Wiki, it's not really as complete as we think. Many of these gray countries actually have an opinion. For an example Kenya, I don't have an online source to back it up for the article but they will not recognise Kosovo and I am sure that there are other countries that have a position but that we don't have them in the article.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 14:34, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah Ethiopia I guess, they have friendly and historical relations with Serbia but I have no info on their decision. Czech R. is divided internally on this, that is why their embassy has no ambassador (president doesn't want to sign that even though he and the PM are from the same party) and the opposition which is leading the polls atm is against. And some countries will just leave the room during the voting but the majority needed is the majority of those who voted not absolute. We'll see. Some got scared after Russia decided to follow suit of recognising such regions so it might give Serbia a few more votes.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 17:12, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

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== MKD ==

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== edit summaries ==

You did not include an edit summery on your edit, which included a potentially controversial action on [[International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia]] (removing something that someone recently added, a.k.a a revert of another editor). Please be sure to use edit summaries and discuss issues on the talk page. Repeated reverts with a failure to discuss on the talk page will result in [[WP:BLOCK|blocks]] for [[WP:DISRUPT|disruption]]. —— '''[[user:nixeagle|<span style="color:navy">nix</span>]][[User talk:Nixeagle|<span style="color:red">eage</span>]]''' 13:55, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:The diff before it: [http://en.wikihttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=International_recognition_of_Abkhazia_and_South_Ossetia&diff=237932579&oldid=237928595] —— '''[[user:nixeagle|<span style="color:navy">nix</span>]][[User talk:Nixeagle|<span style="color:red">eagle</span>]]''' 14:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
::When I looked at the history, there was only one edit, which consisted of a revert. Please write "rv" or similar if you are going to a revert, or write something letting folks know that there are more edits to follow. Also, please pay careful attention to [[Talk:International_recognition_of_Abkhazia_and_South_Ossetia#Editwarring]]—— '''[[user:nixeagle|<span style="color:navy">nix</span>]][[User talk:Nixeagle|<span style="color:red">eagle</span>]]''' 14:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Movement/removal of that text has been happening all day today. However I appologize, but what I have said above still is relevant to any and all edits to that article. —— '''[[user:nixeagle|<span style="color:navy">nix</span>]][[User talk:Nixeagle|<span style="color:red">eagle</span></span>]]''' 14:15, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm not harassing you, please consider this a simple reminder then. This article has been subject to edit warring and you have happened to edit a particular section that has been subject to much debate. Feel free to pop in on the talk page of the article. I don't mean to imply that you are actively edit warring, you are not. This is just a heads up message. —— '''[[user:nixeagle|<span style="color:navy">nix</span>]][[User talk:Nixeagle|<span style="color:red">eagle</span>]]''' 14:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== Re. Insult updates ==

Thank you for the updates, Ijanderson977. I have decided to give Jakezing one more change and left a final warning on his talk page. The next instance of incivility, and I will have no choice but to block him. Please report any further incivility you notice. Thank you. Regards, <strong><span style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</span>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<span style="color:green">ö</span>]]<span style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</span></strong> 19:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

==Jazeking==

I have tried again to speak to him. I hope he behaves better now.[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux|talk]]) 18:07, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

==Your question==
Hi, that is a difficult qestion to be answered in some sentences. But, I will try. I do not support separatism, in its modern concept. If you see all the infoboxes, you will find that I support an [[European state]], as a union of federative states. This states (i.e. the first level of administrative division of a united European state), in my opinion should be based in ethnic boundaries. In my opinion, the [[world government]] cannot be created, due to huge differences between cultures (in a large context, eg. European culture, arabic culture, far east culture, etc etc), but a European state can be created, becouse there is a common culture in every single european state. But, ethnic characteristics, such as language, tradition, folks, etc, cannot be preserved if there is not a administrative division (I repeat: a state, as first level of administrative division of a federal state, such would be European state).[[User:Arditbido|balkanian]] ([[User talk:Arditbido|talk]]) 11:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Is my concept clear?[[User:Arditbido|balkanian]] ([[User talk:Arditbido|talk]]) 11:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


I have also tried to make myself more clear in [[International reaction to the 2008 declaration of independence by Kosovo]]. I would like to know your opinion[[User:Arditbido|balkanian]] ([[User talk:Arditbido|talk]]) 11:49, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

You see our opinions on this are not so far different. You say "I think its good to have a mixed culture within a country, like in [[Britain]]", I say that "I think its good to have a mixed culture within a country, like in [[United Europe]]". But, I think that this unification should not lead us to the conclusion that ethnicities should not exist, because they do. So, in Britain there are four home nations (I think that there should be more Manx, or Cornish eg), why shouldn`t be there other nations in the world. Why, Abkhazia, should be part of Georgia? It is not the same as in Britain. Because Britain is not an "English state", but a "British state". On the other hand there is a "georgian state", where abkhazians should live in it. Why haven`t they the right to make their own descisions. After such vulentiour descisions will be made, than it would be great to have a [[United States of Europe]], which would be a "Europeans state", in which every single ethnic group, would say that this state is mine too.<br />About Ireland. How many nations live in Ireland? One, or two? Why, should a nation be divided in to different states? Why shouldn`t they have the right of unification?[[User:Arditbido|balkanian]] ([[User talk:Arditbido|talk]]) 12:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Same opinion, with little differences. I agree with you about Northern Ireland. If they do not wat to be united, nobody should force them to be, but if they want to be united, no one should force them not to be. About Abkhazia, I think that it was the last solution. Could they find a peacefull solution with Georgia? No! Georgia would never let them leave. I agree with you, what Russia did in Georgia was a [[invasion]], and they were wrong. But, on the other hand, Abkhazia has the right to be indpendent. It is too confusing in this moment. [[Russia]] is wrong that attacked [[Georgia]], [[Georgia]] is wrong that does not give the right of self-determination to [[Abkhazia]]. But, [[Abkhazia]] should have that right and [[Georgia]] has the right to protect its sovereignity from Russia. It is too too too confusing. I hope that in the near future, I would elect my country`s MP to the European Parlaiment and our common President.[[User:Arditbido|balkanian]] ([[User talk:Arditbido|talk]]) 12:49, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree on that too. See my talk page, I certainly agree that UK and US did wrong in Iraq. But, on ethnic issues I think it is the same. Abkhazians and Kurdish should have the right to choose their destiny. UK and US did wrong by invading Iraq, but on the other hand Kurdish people have now the chance to choose for themselves. Russia did wrong by invading Georgia, but on the other hand Abkhazians have now the chance to choose for themselves. On the other hand, I do not understand why, Andorra (which inhabitants are Catalan) should be independent, and Catalans in general, or worst the most ancient nation of the whole Europe, the Basque people, do not have this right.[[User:Arditbido|balkanian]] ([[User talk:Arditbido|talk]]) 13:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

But, maybe Baasque people want to be independent. Shouldn`t they?[[User:Arditbido|balkanian]] ([[User talk:Arditbido|talk]]) 15:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Isn`t this a kind of deprivement of wrights? In this case, why should there be a concept of state? Why should states exist?[[User:Arditbido|balkanian]] ([[User talk:Arditbido|talk]]) 15:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

:This is not a wiki discussion. My skype adress is Arditbido, so serch on it and lets talk more for this topic, which I think is great.[[User:Arditbido|balkanian]] ([[User talk:Arditbido|talk]]) 16:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


== Re. edit protects ==

Hello Ijanderson977. After I've protected the article I noticed those requests for edits. I have been allowing a few days to see if there's consensus for their implementation. Probably it's time now. I'll have a look a little bit later and will accept/decline the requests accordingly. Thank you. Regards, <strong><span style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</span>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<span style="color:green">ö</span>]]<span style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</span></strong> 20:46, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
:The edit requests with actual edit request templates on the talk page are now done. I see that the other requests above those are still in discussion phase, so I might return to them later (when a template is inserted to summon an admin). <strong><span style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</span>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<span style="color:green">ö</span>]]<span style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</span></strong> 23:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Samoa? ==

Any ideas which one is Samoa on [[:Image:Kosovo_relations.png|this]] map?--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 22:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Montenegro ==

That seems like another article which completely relies on "diplomatic sources". I think we should just wait considering they have said today they will not decide on recognition or no recognition before the UN assembly etc. is over.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 17:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
:Latest news - UNGA will vote on Kosovo initiative of Serbia. The GA committee decided to allow it and the main point there was if the US, one of the committee members, would drop the pressure and it seems Jeremic convinced Condi Rice to give Serbia a breather as it was adopted a few minutes ago. Also Greece is lobbying in the EU for all 27 states not to vote at all which is far better for Serbia than 7 yays and 20 nays. And according to Vijesti, Montenegro will wait with it's decision until the GA discussion is over.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 17:35, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
::Apparently only the US and France (Serbian FM said two and that there was no surprise there and well these two were the only ones to object it openly in the last few days so I suppose it was them) objected from 28 committee members but then Ukraine caused a stir with some resolution of their own and these two joined others and voted for the initiative of Serbia to be listed. Countries that initially voted for are the United Kingdom, Hungary, Netherlands, Spain, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Bolivia, Cameroon, China, Egypt, Jamaica, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Mongolia, Myanmar (Burma), Namibia, Niger, Portugal, Russian Federation, Rwanda, Solomon Islands, Honduras, Nigeria, Iraq and Argentina. Other two joined them later so that it could be passed by acclamation. He also said that it was Spain, Egypt and Argentina that were the strongest supporters. So I suppose that this gives us a perspective who is the strongest supporter and objector to Kosovo - US and France on one and Spain, Egypt and Argentina on the other side.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 18:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Well it might be my guess that was wrong. Media is saying how it was the UK that brought the whole legal team in and got support from one more country (probably France) but that Spain, Argentina and Egypt were really strongly supporting the initiative. Also they say how the US surprised everyone by saying how even though they disagree with Serbia regarding Kosovo they wont try to block the initiative. By this the UK apparently tried to block such an initiative for the first time in history. Serbian FM said before that whoever is objecting for the initiative regarding ICJ is afraid of law due to unclear conscience or smth like that, that's why some countries kind of softened and said how they don't like the initiative but will not object it. Anyway he is off to India, hopefully Indians will finally be specific at the highest level and not let ambassadors, joint statements etc. to define their position. He is meeting with [[Mohammad Hamid Ansari]] and [[Pranab Mukherjee]]. And I agree with possible article on this but until the decision is made I think that Serbia's position and Intl recognition articles could handle the material. --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 19:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Yep according to Jeremic, Indians will vote for the Serbian initiative. It must be Miliband's action because as far as I understand Brown couldn't care less about foreign affairs. Even when Kosovo declared independence Brown didn't sound too eager about the recognition and regarding Caucasus crisis he didn't even say anything or at least not when he was supposed to do it. And regarding Greece. Mareklug has posted three things, one is completely about Caucasus, one said "Greece’s participation certainly does not imply recognition." and the last one said "In terms of positions of principle, Greece could not oppose a referral to the Court. But the effort we are making – and we will continue to make within the next ten days – is to reach a common European position on this issue.". Finally he continues to ignore that quote by their MFA which says "Greece did not recognise Kosovo and does not recognise the secessionist regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia". Greece after all puts Cyprus before all other issues.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 15:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Serbian lawyer at the ICJ (yeah Serbia sues and gets sued there all the time lol) announced the possibility to expand the ICJ initiative with the question regarding Basque referendum and perhaps Abkhazia and South Ossetia in order to get votes of countries that recognised Kosovo. We'll see but I think it is expandable because it is quite neutral and could be expanded (“Promotion of justice and international law”>“Request for an advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice on whether the unilateral declaration of independence of Kosovo is in accordance with international law). If Serbia does that hopefully ETA and KGB wont bomb Belgrade lol. --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 18:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== Greece and its recognition of Kosovo ==

Hi Ian. I just saw this: ''Want to re-write Greece then? And we can discuss further Ijanderson (talk) 10:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)''. Yes, please start work on Greece on the Ian-Marek page. We better have something reasonable to put in, when the article gets unprotected, which is the way to bet.  I think Husond or another admin will perceive shortly, based on talk page activity at [[talk:international reaction to the 2008 declaration of independence by Kosovo]]: one editor, denounced by several others for chronic obstruction and partisan distortions.  It's obvious that the page should be protected -- from his edits, or not at all. The former will happen naturally as consensus reverts of his contributions by community.

Incidentally, the distortion continues: I posted the Greece FM's complete statement on Abkhasia and South Ossetia in order to show no mention of Kosovo. The chronicially alleged Greek MFA wording allegedly stating support for Serbian Kosovo is not to be found anywhere on the MFA page. It appears only in one RIA Novosti website dispatch AFAIK. This is a Russian news agency, very partisan.  I think this furhter shows the baselessness of sourcing India and China to Russian news agencies and that communique read by Lavarov at the RIC meeting in Russia on their behalf. Best, --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 22:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:Sorry to burst in but I have to when I am an object of a gossip. In a form of a conversation --- Mareklug said "The chronicially alleged Greek MFA wording allegedly stating support for Serbian Kosovo '''is not to be found anywhere on the MFA page'''." Avala replied "Sure, it can't be found on any MFA page but it is right there on the MFA.gr page - [http://www.mfa.gr/www.mfa.gr/Articles/en-US/290808_alp_1636.htm]". Avala also added "Please do not spread this story further, because obviously it is not true. We can assume good faith until this moment but if you continue to spread the story, how that quote was made up by Russian media and that all Russian media should be discredited based on that, we will consider it an intentional attempt to discredit other editors, defame certain countries and introduce deliberate factual errors". I will not comment on your instigations for an edit war. Thank you, --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 15:13, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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== Montenegro ==

So far so good. No edit wars to speak of, and admins resisting suggestions to semi-protect the page.

We should continue on the Ian-Marek page with Montenegro now, starting with what you proposed on the talk page as editprotect candidate.  Exo did a good job on Greece, and I was able to ''find'' the link, and it was I who actually put it in the new Greece write-up. It turns out to be a verbatim transcript of an impromptu spoken off-the-cuff remark by a lowlevel MFA spokesman, answering some question that did not even name Kosovo.  Now, the new Greece writeup properly situates this in-passing remark against the subsequent prepared statements by the Foreign Minister herself, markedly different in tone and content.  Now we have all this sourced to the the same MFA website, at last, instead of some Serbian media quoting the Russians (as in the case of Georgia), or the Russian partisan source in cyrilc. :)

Anyway.  Time to get the Montenegro shipshape and NPOV.  Would you do the honors? --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 14:17, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

==Montenegro and Macedonia==
I will update the article with a little piece of uncontroversial information that Montenegro will announce its decision in NY at the UNGA. Also Macedonian PM Gruevski said that there is no change in Macedonian position (apparently they have one lol) and that they are following the situation closely. [http://www.makfax.com.mk/look/novina/article.tpl?IdLanguage=10&IdPublication=2&NrArticle=125587&NrIssue=771&NrSection=10 Македонија „нема ништо ново“ за признавањето на Косово]. I will inform Balkan Fever so maybe he can update it properly. --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 17:53, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind focus, I found the original from MakFax. It's the link in my edited post above. I asked BalkanFever to update the article though some regional news site like B92 or BalkanInsight might repost those news translated to English. --[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 18:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


Unlike announced, Filip Vujanovic did not reveal Montenegrin position on Kosovo. He didn't even mention the word Kosovo in his speech. He met with Serbian president in NYC and they seemed to have a lot of fun in the video though Serbian president threatened that Serbia would not stay silent on relativization of borders (I suppose that means relativization of Montenegrin borders would begin where Serbs live though I am guessing).--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 22:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

==Abkhazia and South Ossetia==
Hi Ian, I saw your latest edit to the International Recognition article. I don't think we can say that 190 UN member states recognize these two entities as part of Georgia. It would be closer to the truth to say that most of them have not yet stated their position publicly so it is too early to say. [[User:Jagiellon|Jagiellon]] ([[User talk:Jagiellon|talk]]) 02:17, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== IP84 ==

He has returned that soap opera again where he is whining how everyone hates him.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 21:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I have not returned to anything. But I'm getting angry about Avalas pro-serbian point of view.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.118.38|84.134.118.38]] ([[User talk:84.134.118.38|talk]]) 14:40, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

:Whiny whine whine whine. '''[[User:BalkanFever|<span style="color:black">Balkan</span></span>]][[User talk:BalkanFever|<span style="color:#008">Fever</span>]]''' 14:47, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

::LOL [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977#top|talk]]) 18:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

If you try to make fun of me I go to an admin.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.66.162|84.134.66.162]] ([[User talk:84.134.66.162|talk]]) 20:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

:I have not made fun of you [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977#top|talk]]) 21:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I mean our colleagues Avala and BalkanFever.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.123.210|84.134.123.210]] ([[User talk:84.134.123.210|talk]]) 14:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

:Which admin? '''[[User:BalkanFever|<span style="color:black">Balkan</span>]][[User talk:BalkanFever|<span style="color:#008">Fever</span>]]''' 14:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Again YOU are the on e who does not understand.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.123.210|84.134.123.210]] ([[User talk:84.134.123.210|talk]]) 15:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
What I'm saying? [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] has make fun of me. His LOL after the stupid comment before says all.[[Special:Contributions/84.134.123.210|84.134.123.210]] ([[User talk:84.134.123.210|talk]]) 15:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

:[[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:AGF]] [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977#top|talk]]) 08:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

::What do you expect, Ian? The kid can't pick up on the subtleties and nuances of our language. Then again, he can't pick up on the obvious either. '''[[User:BalkanFever|<span style="color:black">Balkan</span>]][[User talk:BalkanFever|<span style="color:#008">Fever</span>]]''' 12:00, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

:::LOL [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977#top|talk]]) 12:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

::::Watch out, he'll say you're making fun of him again ;). '''[[User:BalkanFever|<span style="color:black">Balkan</span>]][[User talk:BalkanFever|<span style="color:#008">Fever</span></span>]]''' 12:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Pleae stop it. Here and now.[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux|talk]]) 19:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

== Sock puppetry? ==

Hey, thanks for accusing me, together with Tocino who must have "reported" me of being a sock puppet. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tocino#Sock_puppetry] Did your "investigation" ever lead anywhere? Hmm? No? Oh, that's a shame. Maybe you should apologize for accusing me of doing things which I did not do? Hm? I expect an apology. --[[User:Alchaemia|alchaemia]] ([[User talk:Alchaemia|talk]]) 15:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:whatever [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977#top|talk]]) 15:11, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::So... no luck ha? At least Tocino apologized. Lame. --[[User:Alchaemia|alchaemia]] ([[User talk:Alchaemia|talk]]) 17:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Not my problem [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977#top|talk]]) 20:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Very mature of you. --[[Special:Contributions/140.192.68.94|140.192.68.94]] ([[User talk:140.192.68.94|talk]]) 16:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977#top|talk]]) 11:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Your RFA comment ==

I'm confused by your account:

#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ijanderson977&diff=218024531&oldid=217970140 Skyler Morgan asks you for help, protecting a fraudulent article he had placed in Wikipedia].
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kww&diff=prev&oldid=218025293 You put a warning on my page, saying that since it was cited, I shouldn't have deleted it] 
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ijanderson977&diff=218028782&oldid=218026052 I explain to you that Zachary Jaydon was placing in false data]
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kww&diff=prev&oldid=218052965 you apologise to me for the warning]
#[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ijanderson977&diff=218046363&oldid=218043066 I post a nice note saying that I understood]
[[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Zachary_Jaydon_(3rd_nomination)&diff=prev&oldid=218875270 you place a comment on the AFD]

When did I come ''asking for help of me believing that im an admin when im not.''?&mdash;[[User:Kww|Kww]]([[User talk:Kww|talk]]) 20:04, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Versions of English in quotes ==

Hi Ian, I changed the spelling of "recognise" to "recognize" in the Armenia section of the Kosovo recognition article, which you then changed back.<br>Don't get me wrong - I prefer the British spelling, but [[WP:ENGVAR]] states that:  ''"Each article should consistently use the same conventions of spelling and grammar. For example, center and centre are not to be used in the same article. The exceptions are: quotations (the original variety is retained)"''. <br>So we should stick with the spellings in the armenialiberty.org and panarmenian.net articles - whether we like them or not!
<br>PS I'm going to be in Bangor on Friday.  Fancy a pint? [[User:Bazonka|Bazonka]] ([[User talk:Bazonka|talk]]) 12:55, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, yes - I'm still up for beer, but I won't be around for long.  4.30-6.00ish.  I've sent you an email with my details using Wikipedia's emailing system (don't want to put mobile phone number etc. on here) - let me know if it hasn't arrived.  [[User:Bazonka|Bazonka]] ([[User talk:Bazonka|talk]]) 11:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Chat ==

I'm on now. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 15:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

What happened to Ian? [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 18:24, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

==Our conflict==

Please let us talk about it.[[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux|talk]]) 21:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== You got a thank you card! ==

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|Dear [[user:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson977]], thank you so much for your words of support, kindness, and your trust in me. My [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/G.A.S|request for Adminship]] has been closed, and the support the community has shown will be with me forever. I have no way to properly express how grateful I am, and all I can tell you is this: I shall try not to disappoint you nor anyone else with my use of the buttons... and if I mess up, please [[User talk:G.A.S|tell me]]! :) If you ever need my help, either for admin-related stuff or in any other way, you  are welcome to ask, and I shall do my very best.

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==RFA Thanks==

Ijanderson977, I'd like to thank you for voting in [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Spencer|my RFA]]. Thanks also for expressing your trust in me, and I hope that I live up to your expectations. Don't forget, if you have any questions (or bits of advice), please leave a message on [[User talk:Spencer|my talk page]]. Thanks again, '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#006400">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:Coral">T♦</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:Coral">C</span>]]</sup> 02:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Max Mux]] ==

You may be interested to participate in the discussion in [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Max Mux]]. It seems Max Mum is editing using anonymous IPs 84.134.xx.xxx. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 09:48, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

It's not only forgetting involved. Check repeated disruptive edits in Treaty of Lisbon, my talk page and many other. This user reverted a normal edit in Treaty of Lisbon 6 or 7 times, resulting in the temporary semi-protection of an article. He refused to understand what the problem was. Check also personal insults. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 12:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I generally try to be very careful with newbies. Notice that he was warned in September 2008 to stop reverting delinking of dates by another. I wrote at his talk page in October 5th, providing him with some links to understand the policy without giving him an official warnings. He kept reverting and I gave him a warning 5 hours later. I almost engage as well in a 3RR war for the first time of my wikilife. I was lucky that other users helped in reverting. Friendly, [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 12:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== Maps ==
I was inspired by your map for peace and stability in the Balkans, so I decided to make my own. Enjoy:[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Seymour93/Balkans3.jpg] :) --[[User:Tocino|Tocino]] 20:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Candide#Optimism|All is for the best, in this, the best of all possible worlds]] ==
One of the advantages of not having many supporters at your RFA is that there are fewer people to thank at the end. Thanks for your support and your willingness to look at my complete record. I'm going to try to interpret this resounding defeat as a statement that I should choose my words more carefully in the future, and remember that every statement I make gets recorded forever, just waiting to get carefully transcribed onto my next RFA. I would go insane if I believed that it was repudiation of what I truly meant: that no editor should consciously and willfully ignore guidelines and policies, and editors that repeatedly do so should not be rewarded for or supported in doing so. 

I'm sure I'll get back to full speed editing soon, because, after all, , [[Émile Coué| every day, and in every way, I am getting better and better]].&mdash;[[User:Kww|Kww]]([[User talk:Kww|talk]]) 05:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== MneMkd ==

Hi! Well it remains to be seen. Serbian Govt doesn't seek confrontation and it is paying off but when it comes to Montenegro things that can be done are that Serbia might delist Montenegrin students from the domestic students list which means they would have to begin paying tuition fees (and most of the Montenegrins who study do it in Belgrade so it will be effective). Also agreements on free medical treatment in Serbian facilities which are far better and consular help to Montenegrin citizens in Serbian embassies which is a far bigger network might be put out of force. Majority of tourists in Montenegro are Serbs so sabotaging this will also take place by canceling flights to Montenegro during the summer season, introducing visas for Montenegrin citizens, pushing agencies to drop Montenegro from their lists, making anyone who crosses the border with Montenegro to pay a certain tax (Montenegro already does this calling it an ecological tax on all border points but Serbia could do it only there and put a hefty price tag). There will be black lists on Montenegrin politicians like those issued by US state department (the official reason will probably be mafia relations which is already investigated by Italian courts). Also (my assumption, not from the media) Serbian Security Services might be in possession of videos and other evidence of what Djukanovic did during the [[Siege of Dubrovnik]], it is known that he took part but how guilty he is we don't know. Regarding Macedonia, Serbia will probably do what Greece does - recognise them as Former Yugoslav Republic, introduce visas or don't recognise their passports, not allow them to have anything more than a liaison office etc.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 20:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:It will affect Montenegro internally. Serbs living in [[Andrijevica]] or [[Herceg Novi]] might ask for the same thing or Albanians in [[Tuzi]]. I don't think it will affect anyone because there is no one left to be affected. Most of the countries have made their decision. There is no country which is still thinking, and those that didn't speak like African countries are glad that there is a case before ICJ - the best possible excuse to tell both sides that they will stay neutral until the court decides.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 20:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::Moments ago he was sent back home.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 13:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Montenegrin embassy is pretty much just the ambassador because there is no need for any larger presence so it is more or less no diplomatic presence in Serbia now. Macedonia will either have a liaison office or an embassy led by charge d'affaires - I think it will depend on Serbian MFA whether they will downgrade their presence or not. I know that they have announced other measures but so far only the expulsion of ambassadors took place.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 14:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Serbian Govt has decided not to take any steps that would anyhow harm the people of these two countries so some of the measures that were proposed even by ministers in that same Govt and that I had listed before will not take place. On the other hand Serbia will concentrate on regime in Podgorica so we will see some measures there in coming days. Many journalists mention the black list though some also mention confiscation of private property of their leadership in Serbia.--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 19:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

After heavy protests the other day main Montenegrin party decided not to allow the opposition into parliament building. Some of the opposition leaders have began with hunger strike. Also another thing from today is that [[Herceg Novi]] assembly adopted a resolution calling the Kosovo independence illegal and recommendation for the Government to withdraw its recognition. Those are the news from Montenegro. Serbian Government did not take any extra steps in the last few days though there were some accusations of canceled flights to Podgorica but the PM refuted that. Cheers,--[[User:Avala|Avala]] ([[User talk:Avala|talk]]) 13:19, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

== max's sock puppet trial ==

ian, he's given so many stories on his ip stuff, it's varied from "i didn't do it, it was somebody else" to "i didn't know that was bad" to "it was your fualt". He's commited vandalism under these ip's, i am VERY sure he is the one who attacked my user page and insulted my german speaking skills. He's done more then enough and we can't blame "hes a newby". --[[User:Jakezing|Jakezing]] ([[User talk:Jakezing|talk]]) 22:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

You missunderstood. I've clearly stated the way it really was. I have treated Tocino the wrong way. I was annoyed about his behavior and made bad things myself. Therefore I have long since apologized.On your page I have never violated any rule that I know of. You often stated that you have a problem with me. But up to today I still don't know why. Therefore I have tried to solve that problem but you reacted with personal attacks. The other thing is logg in. I haven't known that I must be logged in everytime but now I know and make it so.  [[User:Max Mux|Max Mux]] ([[User talk:Max Mux|talk]]) 18:10, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

== Spelling ==

Sorry for being an annoying nitpicker, but since you seem to be using the word a lot in your edit summaries, you might want to know that it is spelled "[[wikt:consistency|consistEncy]]", not "consistAncy". —&nbsp;[[User:EmilJ|Emil]]&nbsp;[[User talk:EmilJ|J.]] 13:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== Say Bazonka every day! ==

Yes, it was good to meet you Ian.  I'm not sure when I'll next be back in Bangor, but I'll let you know - I don't go there very often though. If you take a look at my user page, you'll see I've added Spike Milligan's Bazonka poem - hope you like it!  Cheers, Dan. [[User:Bazonka|Bazonka]] ([[User talk:Bazonka|talk]]) 07:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)



== Compare Page-Infoboxes of Kosova and South Ossetia or Abchasia ==

I believe the [[Kosovo]] page's infox should be organized similar to that of [[South Ossetia]] and [[Abchasia]]. They are all self-declared and partially recognized independent republics, and I see no difference in the status of the republics in question. What is your opinion? --[[User:Tubesship|Tubesship]] ([[User talk:Tubesship|talk]]) 06:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== :) little smaller, pls. ==

Ian, I got tired of having to horizontally scroll on your talk page to read anything (my window in Opera is usually around 745px, and your talk page, owing to full-size pictures in the header was way longer than my physical screen (1024 px) on this computer...

Anyway, I just took the liberty to put in your Header the size=80px attribute in every {{tlx|click}} template there.  Now I can read your talk page with just one scroll (and the red-frame fits just in)... I believe this will help lots of users in my shoes.

Ideally, your header should dynamically shrink or expand to the size of these images detecting the window size (even if the user dynamicaly resizes it :)), but that is a challenge I leave to you. :)

Best, --[[User:Mareklug|Mareklug]] <sup>[[User talk:Mareklug|<b>talk</b>]]</sup> 07:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

== October 2008 ==
[[Image:Information.svg|25px]] In a recent edit{{#if:Saudi Arabia|&nbsp;to the page [[:Saudi Arabia]]}}, you changed one or more words from one international variety of English to another. Because  Wikipedia has readers from all over the world, our policy is to [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English|respect national varieties of English]] in Wikipedia articles.

For subjects exclusively related to Britain (for example, a famous British person), use British English. For something related to the United States in the same way, use American English. For something related to other English-speaking countries, such as Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, use the appropriate variety of English used there. If it is an international topic, use the same form of English the ''original'' author used.

In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to the other, even if you don't normally use the version the article is written in. Respect other people's versions of English. They in turn should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Wikipedia articles are written can be found in the [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style]]. If you have any queries about all this, you can ask me on my talk page or you can visit the [[Wikipedia:Help desk|help desk]]. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|Thank you.}} <!-- Template:uw-lang --> [[User:Largoplazo|—Largo Plazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 10:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:Ah, I didn't notice this when I just added a request to use edit summaries. He hasn't paid any attention to you. ljanderson977, please consider this a formal warning not to do this any more. Again, you can ask Largoplazo, the help desk, or me if you have any queries, but you've now been warned twice. [[User:Dougweller|Doug Weller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 13:41, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

==MSN==

Yes, Ian, you're confusing the young people!  I'm online now, btw. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 18:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm on now. [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 17:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Where you been, dude?  [[User:Canadian Bobby|Canadian Bobby]] ([[User talk:Canadian Bobby|talk]]) 23:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

== Sovereign nations ==

Hello. I have a couple of comments on this passage from your user page, "Users generally believe that to be a country, the nation must be a member of the UN; not true. The Isle of Mann, Jersey, Guernsey, Niue ect are all non-members but they act and perform and do everything that UN members do ... but they are still independent nations." I doubt that that many people seriously think that UN membership is what defines being a "country", or else I think they would realize their mistake as soon as it's pointed out to them that Switzerland didn't join the UN till 2002 while Ukraine and Byelorussia were UN members before the Soviet Union dissolved. I believe the criteria people generally apply for the types of purposes I suspect you have in mind are formal independence, self-defense, and independent foreign relations. The Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey, and Niue are ''not'' independent nations. The first three are personal possessions, [[Crown dependencies]] of the British monarch, and as a last resort the British parliament has the right to legislate for them. Niue is in "free association" with New Zealand, and its residents are New Zealand citizens. None of these territories has foreign affairs independent of its associated sovereign country or its own defense.[[User:Largoplazo|—Largo Plazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 14:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== It is common to spell... ==

personal for someones opinion not PERSONNEL what is common word for a body of persons usually employed (as in a factory, office, or organization)...  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Shanticm|Shanticm]] ([[User talk:Shanticm|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shanticm|contribs]]) 00:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Hmmmm.... I think I did spell <i>personal</i> correctly, also please read [[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:NPA]]. Cheers mate :p [[User:Ijanderson977|Ijanderson]] ([[User talk:Ijanderson977|talk]]) 00:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

==Map for Turkey==
Hello. Thanks, but are you sure the area of Turkey (which is not much bigger than France) is big enough for a global map projection? It would be much smaller and less detailed. - [[User:Ssolbergj|SSJ]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Ssolbergj|☎]] 15:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== Recent edits ==

I don't know what you're trying to prove with all the <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tags you have added to articles that I created, but it's getting very close to disruptive editing, if it's not reached that stage already.--[[User:Michig|Michig]] ([[User talk:Michig|talk]]) 12:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:See [[WP:POINT]]. If I've done something you believe is wrong that has triggered these edits, please let me know. --[[User:Michig|Michig]] ([[User talk:Michig|talk]]) 12:28, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

==Cyprus==

[[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Hello. Please don't forget to provide an [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]]{{#if:Cyprus|, which wasn't included with your recent edit to [[Cyprus]]}}. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|Thank you.}} <!-- Template:uw-editsummary --> ''And other articles. And particularly if you are going to change from one correct spelling to another correct spelling, you have to give a pretty good reason.'' [[User:Dougweller|Doug Weller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 13:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
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