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==Comments==
Discussion: When should we change the name of the article (i.e., '''Zurich Premiership''' to '''Guinness Premiership''') to reflect the new sponsorship? [[User:Dale Arnett|Dale Arnett]] 01:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No time like the present IIRC the RFU's site uses the name Guinness Premiership.[[User:GordyB|GordyB]] 12:06, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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== Current league table ==

Wouldn't it be useful to have a current league table?--[[Special:Contributions/161.73.14.15|161.73.14.15]] ([[User talk:161.73.14.15|talk]]) 09:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

: See [[2007-08 Guinness Premiership]]. I've added a link to that article. [[User:Jimmy Pitt|Jimmy Pitt]] ([[User talk:Jimmy Pitt|talk]]) 12:46, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

== Article name ==

A discussion is taking place at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby union]] as the name of this article along with the Magners League and the Heineken Cup  --[[User:Snowded|Snowded]] ([[User talk:Snowded|talk]]) 21:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

==Map==

Surely Sale are in the wrong place. Greater Manchester is in the North West not the West Midlands. It looks more like Stoke-on-Trent than Stockport.[[User:GordyB|GordyB]] ([[User talk:GordyB|talk]]) 18:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Does this look better:

{{Location map+|England|width=300|float=center|caption=[[2008-09 Guinness Premiership]] Teams|places=
{{Location map~|England|lat_deg=51|lat_min=22 |lat_dir=N |lon_deg=2|lon_min=21|lon_dir=W|position=bottom|background=#FFFFFF|label=[[Bath Rugby|Bath]]}}
{{Location map~|England|lat_deg=51|lat_min=29 |lat_dir=N |lon_deg=2|lon_min=35|lon_dir=W|position=left|background=#FFFFFF|label=[[Bristol Rugby|Bristol]]}}
{{Location map~|England|lat_deg=51|lat_min=52 |lat_dir=N |lon_deg=2|lon_min=14|lon_dir=W|position=right|background=#FFFFFF|label=[[Gloucester Rugby|Gloucester]]}}
{{Location map~|England|lat_deg=51|lat_min=27 |lat_dir=N |lon_deg=0|lon_min=20|lon_dir=W|position=right|background=#FFFFFF|label=[[Harlequin F.C.|Harlequins]]}}
{{Location map~|England|lat_deg=52|lat_min=37 |lat_dir=N |lon_deg=1|lon_min=08|lon_dir=W|position=right|background=#FFFFFF|label=[[Leicester Tigers|Leicester]]}}
{{Location map~|England|lat_deg=51|lat_min=25 |lat_dir=N |lon_deg=0|lon_min=59|lon_dir=W|position=bottom|background=#FFFFFF|label=[[London Irish]]}}
{{Location map~|England|lat_deg=51|lat_min=37 |lat_dir=N |lon_deg=0|lon_min=48|lon_dir=W|position=left|background=#FFFFFF|label=[[London Wasps|Wasps]]}}
{{Location map~|England|lat_deg=55|lat_min=01 |lat_dir=N |lon_deg=1|lon_min=40|lon_dir=W|position=bottom|background=#FFFFFF|label=[[newcastle Falcons|Newcastle]]}}
{{Location map~|England|lat_deg=52|lat_min=14 |lat_dir=N |lon_deg=0|lon_min=55|lon_dir=W|position=right|background=#FFFFFF|label=[[Northampton Saints|Northampton]]}}
{{Location map~|England|lat_deg=53|lat_min=23 |lat_dir=N |lon_deg=2|lon_min=09|lon_dir=W|position=bottom|background=#FFFFFF|label=[[Sale Sharks|Sale]]}}
{{Location map~|England|lat_deg=51|lat_min=38 |lat_dir=N |lon_deg=0|lon_min=24|lon_dir=W|position=right|background=#FFFFFF|label=[[Saracens F.C.|Saracens]]}}
{{Location map~|England|lat_deg=52|lat_min=12 |lat_dir=N |lon_deg=2|lon_min=09|lon_dir=W|position=left|background=#FFFFFF|label=[[Worcester Warriors|Worcester]]}}
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[[User:Noq|noq]] ([[User talk:Noq|talk]]) 19:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, well done.[[User:GordyB|GordyB]] ([[User talk:GordyB|talk]]) 19:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

==Salary Cap==

I've not got a massive depth of rugby knowledge, but I've heard there's a salary cap in this league that isn't mentioned in the article.  As lots of players seem to be leaving due to the salary cap (more money in France), wouldn't it be a relevant thing to mention?  Sorry I can't do it myself - don't know enough about the topic.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/131.111.93.201|131.111.93.201]] ([[User talk:131.111.93.201|talk]]) 08:25, 19 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: Yes, that is definitely a discussion topic to be added.  In particular how it affects team's ability to compete in the [[Heineken Cup]] and how [[Leicester F.C.]] hate it. [[User:Captain of the Golden Hind|Captain of the Golden Hind]] ([[User talk:Captain of the Golden Hind|talk]]) 09:50, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

== Requested move ==
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[[Guinness Premiership]] → {{noredirect|1=Aviva Premiership}} — Change of sponser for the competition should have a change of name for the article. [[User:The C of E|The C of E.           God Save The Queen!]] ([[User talk:The C of E|talk]]) 11:51, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' why Aviva Premiership rather than [[English Premiership (rugby union)]] ? [[User:Gnevin|Gnevin]] ([[User talk:Gnevin|talk]]) 16:43, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''  This is the problem when sponsors' names are included in article titles: they change every couple of years.  The usual format on Wikipedia is to omit the sponsor, particularly for venues and sports leagues.  See the move proposal at [[Talk:AEGON Championships]].  I would support [[User:Gnevin|Gnevin]]'s suggestion that the article be moved to [[English Premiership (rugby union)]].  Anything relevant at [[Aviva Premiership]] should then be merged into this article.  [[User:Skinsmoke|Skinsmoke]] ([[User talk:Skinsmoke|talk]]) 03:00, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as nom. The problem is that if this move request is rejected, then the page is left in an out-of-date condition. [[User:The C of E|The C of E.           God Save The Queen!]] ([[User talk:The C of E|talk]]) 07:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I have moved the page to Aviva Premiership for the time being to try to prevent another cut and paste move. I see the logic with moving to English Premiership (rugby union), though think that the article should reflect the current name and so Aviva Premiership is the most logical (obviously Guinness Premiership is no longer relevant). [[User:Nouse4aname|Nouse4aname]] ([[User talk:Nouse4aname|talk]]) 14:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
==Requested move 2==
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The result of the move request was: '''page moved'''. [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 09:11, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

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[[Aviva Premiership]] → {{noredirect|1=English Premiership (rugby union)}} — in a other 4 years we will be discussing this again and we have [[2010–11_Aviva_Premiership]] and [[2009–10_Guinness_Premiership]] which is confusing . Internal consitancy is best served by redirects to English Premiership from sponsors [[User:Gnevin|Gnevin]] ([[User talk:Gnevin|talk]]) 17:29, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I'm afraid I have to oppose this simply on the grounds of consistency and that we do have pages that do this kind of thing with sponsor moves which isn't that disruptive (ie.[[DW Stadium]]) [[User:The C of E|The C of E.           God Save The Queen!]] ([[User talk:The C of E|talk]]) 20:09, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' [[DW Stadium]] never had a standard name [[User:Gnevin|Gnevin]] ([[User talk:Gnevin|talk]]) 21:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Sorry, [[Imtech Arena]] would have been a better example. [[User:The C of E|The C of E.           God Save The Queen!]] ([[User talk:The C of E|talk]]) 11:10, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Having a consistent name over time with redirects from the sponsor name would mean that this discussion would be moot. Articles where the distinction is appropriate can link to the redirect page, others can link link directly. Change of sponsor is just a new redirect. [[User:Noq|noq]] ([[User talk:Noq|talk]]) 00:23, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''  For the reasons I set out in the discussion above, plus the points made by [[User:Noq|noq]].  Redirects from [[Aviva Premiership]], [[Guinness Premiership]], [[Snickers Premiership]] or whatever would ensure that nobody had trouble finding the article.  In association football we have the equivalent at [[Premier League]], not at [[Barclays Premier League]], which is a redirect.  I know that ''"other shit exists"'' is not a good argument, but in this case, if it works for soccer's top league, which is followed by many more people than the rugby union league, it should work here too.  [[User:Skinsmoke|Skinsmoke]] ([[User talk:Skinsmoke|talk]]) 04:49, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. The main article page should be located at a neutral title that won't need moving every few years, particularly as the sponsor seems to change so frequently. The sponsored name can be mentioned in the lead and in relevant sections of the article. However, I think articles for specific seasons should be located at the sponsored name, as this is invariably the most commonly used and recognised name (though I recognise this isn't the issue here). BTW, apologies if my move to Aviva Premiership caused any disruption here, I simply wanted to avoid another cut and paste attempt at moving the article again! Also, yes I changed my mind from what I said yesterday! [[User:Nouse4aname|Nouse4aname]] ([[User talk:Nouse4aname|talk]]) 09:40, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:[[User:Nouse4aname|Nouse4aname]],  I wouldn't worry about it . I was going to move it to this title anyway since it was a non-controversial move and open this RM since it is move controversial [[User:Gnevin|Gnevin]] ([[User talk:Gnevin|talk]]) 11:33, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

*'''Support''' although I have not been involved in the preceding discussion it is akin the requested move at [[Talk:Super 14#Requested move]]. In both cases a change in the name of the competition results in a move, and then another. This move allows the whole span of the competition to be discussed in one place, but then very specific subsidiary article to be written (if as a project we decide that is required. In the case of [[Super 14]] a full discussion of [[Super 6]] is almost out of place, but would fall into [[Super Rugby]] handily. The question is identical here with sponsor names. [[English Premiership (rugby union)]] serves the needs of this subject perfectly.[[User:SauliH|SauliH]] ([[User talk:SauliH|talk]]) 20:39, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - other domestic competitions in other sports are known here by their real names rather than by the names given by their sponsors.  [[Special:Contributions/81.110.111.164|81.110.111.164]] ([[User talk:81.110.111.164|talk]]) 01:45, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
*'''Conditional Oppose''' - See [[Magners League]] where there was an extensive discussion.   This should probably go to a central forum for a one time resolution on naming conventions.  --[[User:Snowded|<span style="color:#801818;font-family:Papyrus;">'''Snowded'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Snowded#top|<span style="color:#708090;font-family:Baskerville;">TALK</span>]]</sup></small>  01:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
**Conditional upon ... ?  [[Special:Contributions/81.110.111.164|81.110.111.164]] ([[User talk:81.110.111.164|talk]]) 04:06, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
***I oppose a change being made here in isolation from a more general agreement.  APologies, I thought that was obvious but happy to spell it out --[[User:Snowded|<span style="color:#801818;font-family:Papyrus;">'''Snowded'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Snowded#top|<span style="color:#708090;font-family:Baskerville;">TALK</span>]]</sup></small>  05:45, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Previous discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby union/Archive 6#Naming conventions - Sponsorship of competitions]] [[User:Noq|noq]] ([[User talk:Noq|talk]]) 09:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' Wow, that had some heat to it. I stopped reading after the first 30 or so comments. I am with Snowded that this decision should be discussed at the project level and a project naming protocol be formulated for competitions. Otherwise this could be an ongoing debate.[[User:SauliH|SauliH]] ([[User talk:SauliH|talk]]) 13:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
*:Agreed, We don't want another "game" of rename ping-pong like at [[Eye-gouging (rugby union)]] [[User:The C of E|The C of E.           God Save The Queen!]] ([[User talk:The C of E|talk]]) 14:12, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
**Reading that the key phrase is "common use", so the Magners League and the Heineken Cup have the sponsor name .  Premiership and Guinness Premiership have always been a bit interchangeable, but I would expect Aviva's deal to require use of the name.  On that basis it is likely to be the common name --[[User:Snowded|<span style="color:#801818;font-family:Papyrus;">'''Snowded'''</span>]]
**'''Comment'''I have opened a discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby union#Naming protocol for competitions]]. Not trying to undermine the straw polls here and at Super 14, but enough debate has happened to indicate that this is a broader discussion than at just this article.[[User:SauliH|SauliH]] ([[User talk:SauliH|talk]]) 14:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)<small><sup>[[User talk:Snowded#top|<span style="color:#708090;font-family:Baskerville;">TALK</span>]]</sup></small>  14:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - I proposed this a long time ago for the [[Heineken Cup|European Rugby Cup]] and the [[Magners League|Celtic League]]. – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 12:26, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
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== Holders ==

It says in that the current holders of the Aviva Premiership title are Saracens, which is true, but it says that the season they are holding the trophy for is "2011-12", surely they are the holders of 2010-11 and this is incorrect, as the season they won the trophy in was 2010-11? Or does it mean that they will be holders of the trophy for the 2011-12 season? Thanks. [[User:SAULGNRFAN|SAULGNRFAN]] ([[User talk:SAULGNRFAN|talk]]) 14:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

== Requested move 8 August 2016 ==
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[[:English Premiership (rugby union)]] → {{no redirect|English Premiership}} – No one calls the football division "the English Premiership", and that's never been its name. A hatnote will suffice. [[User:Unreal7|Unreal7]] ([[User talk:Unreal7|talk]]) 20:31, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' unless there is solid evidence that the [[Premier League]] is actually referred to as the [[English Premiership]] on anything resembling a regular basis a hatnote will suffice.--[[Special:Contributions/67.68.20.22|67.68.20.22]] ([[User talk:67.68.20.22|talk]]) 05:47, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
*'''Against''' Football's now Premier League was known as the Premiership for 13 years between 1994 and 2007, there is the potential for significant confusion. [[User:Skeene88|Skeene88]]  <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 15:04, 14 August 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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== Request Move 18 March 2017 ==

[[:English Premiership (rugby union)]] → {{no redirect|Premiership Rugby}}.

Reasons for this:
* Premiership Rugby is the proper name of the competition: {{cite web|url=http://www.premiershiprugby.com/|title=premiershiprugby.com}} whilst no source other than here calls it English Premiership (rugby union)
* Whilst there are other competitions that call themselves Premierships such as the Scottish and Welsh versions these are all known by their national names i.e. Scottish Premiership and when googling "Premiership Rugby" I can only find one reference to each of the above competitions on the first 7 pages of results.  A hat note towards those competitions should suffice as the vast majority of people looking for Premiership Rugby will be looking for this page.[[User:Skeene88|Skeene88]] ([[User talk:Skeene88|talk]]) 10:32, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

No challenges to this so I'm going to do it.[[User:Skeene88|Skeene88]] ([[User talk:Skeene88|talk]]) 21:17, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

== New Logo ==

Anybody able to add a new logo for Gallagher Premiership? Aviva one will be outdated as of 01 July 2018  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.171.240.185|86.171.240.185]] ([[User talk:86.171.240.185#top|talk]]) 19:46, 17 June 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Have now updated to the competitions new main brand logo.  There is also a Gallagher branded logo but think this should be used only on the season's which Gallagher have sponsored.[[User:Skeene88|Skeene88]] ([[User talk:Skeene88|talk]]) 12:17, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

I think it should be the sponsor logo. This is what will appear on all media and is consistent with other pages on here.
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[[Super League]], [[Super Rugby]], [[Top 14]], [[Premier League]] all use sponsorless logos for the main competition page.  [[Pro14]] uses one with sponsor. Given the consensus was for the page name to be sponsorless I think that holds for the image too.  As I say no problem with the individual seasons using the sponsor image.[[User:Skeene88|Skeene88]] ([[User talk:Skeene88|talk]]) 09:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

:I agree with [[User:Skeene88]]. Reserve the sponsored version for those season articles that it applies to. [[User:Noq|noq]] ([[User talk:Noq|talk]]) 11:20, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

What the file name for the Gallagher one for season pages?

== Should we lock this page? ==

It seems to be suffering from persistent low level petty vandalism, should it be locked to registered users only? [[User:Skeene88|Skeene88]] ([[User talk:Skeene88|talk]]) 08:11, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
:Just make a report to [[WP:RFPP]]. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E  </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the Queen!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 12:59, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

== Saracens titles and asterixs ==

Hello all.  I have decided to keep the asterix's that keep getting added to Saracens alongside a factual note of the circumstances surrounding it.  I think this is a fair and accurate way to portray this information without unduly favouring one view or the other.  Any thoughts greatly appreciated. [[User:Skeene88|Skeene88]] ([[User talk:Skeene88|talk]]) 13:57, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

The best course of action is probably not to have a note regarding the salary breach under the champions section of the [[Premiership Rugby]] page because it is not relevant. It is better situated under the [[2019–20 Premiership Rugby]] page. However if Saracens eventually get stripped of a title (which may still happen) then obviously a note will be needed. [[User:Racingmanager|Racingmanager]] ([[User talk:Racingmanager|talk]]) 15:08, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
:I'd say there's no need for a note now as they are factually recognised as champions then and now. One should not be added until such time as the titles are stripped from them by PR or the RFU if it ever occurs . <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E  </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the Queen!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 15:16, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
:: Equally though they were found to be in breach of the cap in those seasons and to not say it there means someone looking up the number of titles won wouldn't see it at all, if the titles are stripped they will be removed all together from that table because they would no longer be anyone's and the note would need to be added to the list of finals above.  I will leave the asterix's off the table for now pending any further comments and revert anyone that adds them back in, directing them to here.[[User:Skeene88|Skeene88]] ([[User talk:Skeene88|talk]]) 19:42, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Given the magnitude of the fine and points deduction for the past 3 seasons and forced relegation this season I'm not sure how you can't put a note on all the affected Saracens winning seasons. To not do so is to ignore the cheating completely as not everyone is going to go and look at individual season info (which also needs to have the relevant information added).  [[User:Atomicwasp|Atomicwasp]] ([[User talk:Atomicwasp|talk]]) 08:25, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

== League table rankings ==

There doesn't appear to be anywhere on this page that explains the full ranking order of the league table, as per the Premiership Rugby site. This leaves a 'hole' in the knowledge contained in the page.[[User:Nifty1a|Nifty1a]] ([[User talk:Nifty1a|talk]]) 19:54, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

<ref>https://www.premiershiprugby.com/gallagher-premiership-rugby/league-table/</ref>

GALLAGHER PREMIERSHIP RUGBY LEAGUE RULES
During Gallagher Premiership Rugby points will be awarded as follows:
• 4 points will be awarded for a win
• 2 points will be awarded for a draw
• 1 point will be awarded to a team that loses a match by 7 points or less
• 1 point will be awarded to a team scoring 4 tries or more in a match

In the case of equality at any stage of the Season, positions at that stage of the season shall be determined firstly by the number of wins achieved and then on the basis of match points differential. A Club with a larger number of wins shall be placed higher than a Club with the same number of league points but fewer wins.

If Clubs have equal league points and equal number of wins then a Club with a larger difference between match points “for” and match points “against” shall be placed higher in the Premiership League than a Club with a smaller difference between match points “for” and match points “against”.

Should two Clubs have the same number of league points and the same match points difference, the Club having scored more match points “for” shall be placed higher in the Premiership League than the Club having the lesser number of match points “for”.

If the above does not establish different Premiership League positions then the Club in the higher position shall be the Club that has achieved the higher aggregate match points scored by it in the same season against the other Club.

If this still does not establish the position then the Club who has won the most matches, excluding its first Premiership League match of the season, then its second Premiership League match and so on, until it can be established which the higher placed Club is.

{{reflist-talk}}

== Sponsorship details. ==

Should the league sponsor history be in a table?

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Year !! Sponsor !! League Name
|-
| 2000-01 || Zurich|| Zurich Premiership
|-
| 2001-02 || Zurich|| Zurich Premiership
|-
| 2002-03 || Zurich|| Zurich Premiership
|-
| 2003-04 || Zurich|| Zurich Premiership
|-
| 2004-05 || Zurich|| Zurich Premiership
|-
| 2005-06 || Guinness || Guinness Premiership
|-
| 2006-07 || Guinness || Guinness Premiership
|-
| 2007-08 || Guinness || Guinness Premiership
|-
| 2008-09 || Guinness || Guinness Premiership
|-
| 2009-10 || Guinness || Guinness Premiership
|-
| 2010-11 || Aviva|| Aviva Premiership
|-
| 2011-12 || Aviva|| Aviva Premiership
|-
| 2012-13 || Aviva|| Aviva Premiership
|-
| 2013-14 || Aviva|| Aviva Premiership
|-
| 2014-15 || Aviva|| Aviva Premiership
|-
| 2015-16 || Aviva|| Aviva Premiership
|-
| 2016-17 || Aviva|| Aviva Premiership
|-
| 2017-18 || Aviva|| Aviva Premiership
|-
| 2018-19 || Gallagher || Gallagher Premiership
|-
| 2019-20 || Gallagher || Gallagher Premiership
|}

[[User:Nifty1a|Nifty1a]] ([[User talk:Nifty1a|talk]]) 20:17, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

I see no problem with what is currently shown in the article (below). Are you proposing a replacement larger table with no sponsor links or pre-2000 info OR something else as a replacement? [[User:Racingmanager|Racingmanager]] ([[User talk:Racingmanager|talk]]) 10:24, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

= Sponsorship ==
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;margin-left:1em;float:center"
!Period
!Sponsor
!Name
|-
|1987–1997|| [[Courage Brewery]] ||Courage League National Division One
|-
|1997–2000|| [[Allied Dunbar]] ||Allied Dunbar Premiership 
|-
|2000–2005|| [[Zurich Insurance Group]] ||Zurich Premiership
|-
|2005–2010|| [[Guinness]] ||Guinness Premiership
|-
|2010–2018|| [[Aviva]] ||Aviva Premiership
|-
|2018–current|| [[Arthur J. Gallagher & Co.]] ||Gallagher Premiership 
|-
|}

= "Traditional" games =
In the history section there are two references to clubs playing so-called "traditional" games, the 2nd reference bemoaning that such games were sometimes no longer possible when a fixture list was introduced. I feel it would be helpful to include a short explanation as to what is meant by this, since none of the pages for [[Rugby union]], [[English rugby union system]] or [[History of the English rugby union system]] make any reference to these games or how they differed from games played according to a fixture list.  [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C4:4A9C:8C01:1677:E6E9:265A:E261|2A00:23C4:4A9C:8C01:1677:E6E9:265A:E261]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C4:4A9C:8C01:1677:E6E9:265A:E261|talk]]) 21:07, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
::Good idea, might re-write that section in totality, it's full of rubbish really.[[User:Skeene88|Skeene88]] ([[User talk:Skeene88|talk]]) 16:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

== U.S. coverage ==

Premiership rugby is no longer on NBC Sports, which is itself apparently being phased out. (One of the two NBC Sports channels in the Washington D.C. area has recently gone dark, the one that carried coverage of the Premiership, European Championship, Six Nations,sevens tour and the most recent B&I Lions tour.)
Premiership rugby, sevens, and, currently, the Womens' World Cup have moved to Peacock Prime, another NBC platform. [[User:Toyokuni3|Toyokuni3]] ([[User talk:Toyokuni3|talk]]) 20:34, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

== Request ==

Could someone add the total and average attendance for the 23/24 season? [[User:The red man of rugby|The red man of rugby]] ([[User talk:The red man of rugby|talk]]) 00:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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