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Why aren't there any links to Wikipedia pages?
I'm new to this project and I'd like to help, mainly by adding links, pics, and cleaning up. But I'm baffled as to why there are not links to Wikipedia on the Wikicookbook and vice-versa? Has there been a consensus regarding this issue? I added the links on Rhubarb Pie page, provisionally, until I hear otherwise. After, say, two weeks (is that a reasonable amount of time?), if there is no response, I'll start adding links to Wikipedia in a == See also == section. Is that ok? WikiUser70176 (discuss • contribs) 13:11, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @WikiUser70176 and welcome to the project! I am very active in the cookbook here and have been cleaning it up for the past year. According to Wikibooks policy, books are meant to be self-contained resources, and linking between books and to Wikipedia goes against best practices. Some external linking can be helpful when used judiciously, but I would say that it's not appropriate to do so without a very good reason. In many cases, external links are included when they would be more appropriate as citations or footnotes. You may also wish to take a look at Wikibooks:Wikibooks for Wikimedians since you're coming from another project. Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 18:07, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- I would also note that in terms of recipe pictures, it's best to have pictures that were made using that specific recipe for the sake of accuracy and expectations. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 18:16, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks so much! I understand the reasoning now, although it does take logic a bit to the extreme. Yes, a book is, a priori, a self-contained object. Nevertheless, a Wikibook is also a digital book, so I'm thinking links should be allowed, as reading a hardcover book is fundamentally not the same as reading your screen. But, of course, I'll do what the consensus decided. Hopefully, the Wikipedia will allow me to put links to the Cookbook (see Rhubarb) WikiUser70176 (discuss • contribs) 18:26, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- @WikiUser70176 Happy to help! As far as I'm aware, it's completely fine (and very helpful!) to link to the Cookbook from Wikipedia, since Wikipedia acts as an encyclopedia and slightly more like a repository. My main understanding of the distinction is that Wikibooks is intended to serve a different function from Wikipedia, and there is a general desire to keep Wikibooks formatted somewhat differently to help underscore that function. I think that the intention is to keep Wikibooks from becoming a general repository and to maintain a sense of purpose and scope, but project veterans like @MarcGarver, @Xania, and @JackPotte may have a better explanation than I can provide. Cheers! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 18:39, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, personally I just update Wikidata to help navigating between projects. But we probably need to update the bottom of Using Wikibooks/Wiki-Markup#Page Links to answer to these kinds of interrogation. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 21:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hi @JackPotte,
- I have a question about links between the English wikibooks and wikidata: I was trying to find out how WD links items with a common name to ENWB. For example we have 3 pages of the cookbook about Apple Pies:
- I checked the WD item for Apple Pie and found out it links to Cookbook: Apple Pie I. I also checked to see who created this link and found out it was User:Wolverène who has never contributed to this wiki (I think?). In your opinion would it be wise to change the WD item to point to Cookbook: Apple Pie?
- Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 22:46, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- There are a lot of issues with wikidata implementation at Wikibooks that have unfortunately not been resolved. However, I do think the WD item for apple pie would be better connected to Cookbook: Apple Pie rather than Cookbook: Apple Pie I. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 22:49, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, I added the English link almost 6 years ago and I do not remember the context of my editing. There is no problem for me to change the connection into Cookbook:Apple Pie. --Wolverène (discuss • contribs) 07:08, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the initial problem was in interwikis which were included in the page. That is why I linked that in such a way.
I have also created items for the apple pie recipes - d:Q124803141, d:Q124803154. However, I am not sure how to work properly on items for Wikibook pages (which properties fit better there, and such). Wikibooks are my grey area --Wolverène (discuss • contribs) 07:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the initial problem was in interwikis which were included in the page. That is why I linked that in such a way.
- Hi, personally I just update Wikidata to help navigating between projects. But we probably need to update the bottom of Using Wikibooks/Wiki-Markup#Page Links to answer to these kinds of interrogation. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 21:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- @WikiUser70176 Happy to help! As far as I'm aware, it's completely fine (and very helpful!) to link to the Cookbook from Wikipedia, since Wikipedia acts as an encyclopedia and slightly more like a repository. My main understanding of the distinction is that Wikibooks is intended to serve a different function from Wikipedia, and there is a general desire to keep Wikibooks formatted somewhat differently to help underscore that function. I think that the intention is to keep Wikibooks from becoming a general repository and to maintain a sense of purpose and scope, but project veterans like @MarcGarver, @Xania, and @JackPotte may have a better explanation than I can provide. Cheers! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 18:39, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
A newbie question
I have tried to find recipes I can handle. I am a terrible cook, but I love eating.
I find some of the recipes here awfully complex, and require a lot of pre-planning, at least for me. I have tried using this cookbook a coupe of times, just to find out half-way through that I a missing an essential element without which I cannot proceed. I have already learned to scan the list of ingredients ahead of time, but my trouble is the necessary equipment, such as a Muffin pan.
I realize it is very difficult to address an international audience who may have language difficulties, cultural objections to certain foods, food allergies, all on top of various levels of expertise. I just wonder if a section describing what is needed in terms of equipment can be added to all recipes?
Your comments are appreciated, Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 20:40, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Ottawahitech! I'm glad you've been trying out the recipes, and I'm sorry you've had trouble. I do think it is reasonable to have an "equipment" section for recipes—some recipes already do, and the recipe template gives some additional guidance. It will take some time to adjust all the recipes accordingly, but please feel free to start doing so yourself if you're feeling up to it. Additionally, you might like to check out Category:Very Easy recipes and Category:Easy recipes. Cheers! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 22:01, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Why use the cookbook?
I have been trying out several recipes in this cookbook, some successfully others not so. Here is a question I have: Are there others here who are trying the recipes? Do we have any statistics to document this? How long has the cookbook been on wikibooks?
I am curious to find out why readers prefer to use this cookbook over other online recipe sources since we only use text while sources such as as YouTube have videos which the younger people in my real life use as the cooking-bible all the time. One advantage I can think of for WB is the fact that we allow comments on the talk-pages by IP-users who prefer anonymity and there are no commercials (other than the periodic donation pages), while on YouTube you can only participate in discussions if you have a google account which allows one to eliminate commercials, I think? Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 21:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
copyrights of menus
I made Cookbook:Rømmegrøt the other day. It is a Norwegian dish that I tasted for the first time many years ago but have not had recently. It is made with Cookbook:Homemade sour cream. It is not for those who watch their calories (does the cook book have a way of indicating this?). I found a recipe for it on the internet.
I understand that such things are copyrighted. How can I share this recipe with others?
Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 16:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Ottawahitech! Regarding nutritional information, the cookbook does have Template:Nutrition Summary. Regarding the recipe, we cannot host any copyrighted content found elsewhere on the internet. If you find a recipe with a compatible license, or if you have a recipe of your own to share, we can take those. Cheers —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 22:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply, @Kittycataclysm. I was afraid of that.
- I am not sure what makes a recipe one's own though, for copyrights' sake. People have been sharing recipes for millennia, so how can one determine whose "copyright" it is? If I use someone else's recipe but change apples to pears or use less sugar/ use an air-fryer to bake it instead of an oven/ bake it at 350 degrees for longer than another recipe that calls for 450 for a shorter period, the list goes on? and who is responsible for monetary damages if a copyrighted recipe is found at wikibooks? (I don't intend to do this, just wondering).
- I also wonder how old the recipe must be before it becomes public property? I used own a 1950 cooking encyclopedia purchased at a garage sale which had some interesting recipes. What about recipes printed in government guides (nutrition related usually)?
- Do we have copyrights experts at wikibooks? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 00:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Ottawahitech. You can find some more information on recipes and copyright at this external site. Generally, my understanding is that a simple list of ingredients or the idea of how to make something is not copyrightable, but the specific writing of the recipe is. Any copied written text of a recipe is therefore not accepted here. For specific legal expertise, you would have to contact WMF. —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 21:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Offtopic: Shortly after I posted this I started getting online ads for (I think) a pill to reduce body fat. Coincidence I am sure. :-) Ottawahitech (discuss • contribs) 17:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Is there an API for reading, adding, and editing recipes?
Hello, I make an aftermarket pellet grill controller that has a web app interface. I wanted to add a recipe section to the web app so users could add and edit their recipes directly from the app and share them with the world. The app can display the Cookbook wiki but it is a bit too complicated to add recipes using the templates. I am not a wiki expert so I may be missing another way to manage recipes. Any thoughts? Mcranepage (discuss • contribs) 13:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Mcranepage! Are you asking if there's a way to add/edit Wikicookbook recipes directly from your web app? If I'm understanding correctly, you can read them but not edit them well—is that correct? —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 20:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @Kittycataclysm, yes that is correct. My understanding of adding a recipe is that the user has to copy pieces of various recipe template parts, paste them into a new recipe page, figure out the right category(s) for the recipe, then there are a few visual editor type tools that he/she can use to edit the recipe parts before submitting it. I was hoping to simplify the process by creating a form in the web app that the user could fill out then when he/she saves the recipe, the web app will send the recipe to the Cookbook wiki as an xml or json object. I am open for suggestions. Mcranepage (discuss • contribs) 16:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- You can use mw:API:Edit to edit wikis. If you want users to edit in their own names (you probably should), you’ll also need mw:OAuth/For Developers in a web app (or develop a gadget or user script instead, which runs on en.wikibooks.org and thus can directly edit in the current user’s name – even if the user isn’t logged in, which isn’t possible using OAuth). Of course, these are general APIs and don’t know anything about how the cookbook works, but if I understand correctly, you plan to write exactly the cookbook-specific parts anyway. —Tacsipacsi (discuss • contribs) 20:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Tacsipacsi, Perfect! Thank you for the information. Mcranepage (discuss • contribs) 18:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- You can use mw:API:Edit to edit wikis. If you want users to edit in their own names (you probably should), you’ll also need mw:OAuth/For Developers in a web app (or develop a gadget or user script instead, which runs on en.wikibooks.org and thus can directly edit in the current user’s name – even if the user isn’t logged in, which isn’t possible using OAuth). Of course, these are general APIs and don’t know anything about how the cookbook works, but if I understand correctly, you plan to write exactly the cookbook-specific parts anyway. —Tacsipacsi (discuss • contribs) 20:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @Kittycataclysm, yes that is correct. My understanding of adding a recipe is that the user has to copy pieces of various recipe template parts, paste them into a new recipe page, figure out the right category(s) for the recipe, then there are a few visual editor type tools that he/she can use to edit the recipe parts before submitting it. I was hoping to simplify the process by creating a form in the web app that the user could fill out then when he/she saves the recipe, the web app will send the recipe to the Cookbook wiki as an xml or json object. I am open for suggestions. Mcranepage (discuss • contribs) 16:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Omelette
Take two eggs and crack into bowl/cup add dried parsley leaves add into eggs,add a pinch of salt and pepper mix well add bread toast.
Light stove heat to medium temperature wait 3 minutes and flip put on low heat take a plate and take a cup and pour soda
Enjoy 😘
Tkzeemoondreamer07 (discuss • contribs) 08:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC)