Dekkappai

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The less snark, the better results. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:05, 25 May 2011 (UTC)Reply

No, Dekk's right, you're wrong on this one. Snarking is absolutely warranted.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC)Reply

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Please remove or refactor your comment, as it is uncivil and disruptive. XFDs definitely can generate a lot of negative feelings, but whatever prior events you are reacting to, it's not constructive to drag them around into new discussions. postdlf (talk) 17:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Postdlf. My feelings are in regards to the Wikipedia community as a whole, its toleration for harrassment, edit-warring, bullying, etc., when it serves their purpose. As such, they are appropriate at any discussion, I believe. As a favor to you though, I will attempt to soften the rhetoric. Best regards. Dekkappai (talk) 17:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)Reply

I understand your frustration at seeing a lot of what you've created slowly whittled away, but this is 100% pure WP:POINT. Please don't do stupid stuff like that... Tabercil (talk) 13:39, 2 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Hi Tabercil. I'm not aware that I did much work on Suzi Suzuki. I really don't like the article. And WP policy says that without sourcing it should be deleted. Where's the beef? Dekkappai (talk) 15:49, 2 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Well it was just the way you phrased the PROD which made it seem (to me anyway) like you were basically saying "hey, if you're gonna toss out these sources, why not toss out the article too?". It doesn't really qualify as unsourced BLP IMO as there's a ref to a Salon article (which is firmly a RS in my book), but a general NOTE is more accurate. Tabercil (talk) 15:56, 2 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

(EC) Frankly, I was rather insulted that you thought this article was my work-- I think I just added some reviews to it... Dekkappai (talk) 16:00, 2 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Wow, WP:TLDR, WP:NPA and completely inaccurate stereotypes in one filibuster (there have only been 3 country songs about dogs, ever). A dubious hat trick. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 04:58, 12 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

• Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 05:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Oh hi, Hammer. "Too long, didn't read?" Well, I'm glad you read far enough to conjure up a personal attack... I hope I didn't come off as a Russian opera snob. Obviously Italian opera is a perfectly appropriate topic for Wikipedia as well. And I'm not talking about just the big names. Have you ever heard Zandonai's Francesca da Rimini? Lovely stuff. If that one if it came to AfD, I'd be willing to fake up some "reliable sourcing" for it, if you know what I mean ;-) Seriously, as consensus is increasingly agreeing, Wikipedia needs to focus not just on the quality of its articles, but also on the quality of the subjects it covers. Will we gain respectability by meticulously covering pop-culture ephemera? Absolutely not. Country music can be covered in a paragraph, at most, in a subsection of pop, in an article on U.S. music. Since I'm an incurable Inclusionist at heart, I allow for Johnny Cash and Burl Ives to have separate articles. Anyone seeking information on country music more detailed than that has Google. Have a nice day. Dekkappai (talk) 15:56, 12 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

  This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on other people again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 18:49, 13 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Have a nice day, Hammer! Dekkappai (talk) 19:42, 13 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Per discussion on ANI and contiuned WP:TE, you have been blocked for 1 week for disruptive editing. Toddst1 (talk) 20:24, 13 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

I made a threat involving me & the opera mafia over on Hullaballoo Wolfowitz' page just now as well. That might be food for discussion. Just trying to be helpful. Have a nice day. Dekkappai (talk) 20:34, 13 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Blocked for a week? Be serious. This isn't over. Bishonen | talk 20:38, 13 July 2011 (UTC).Reply

It's ok Bishonen-- Humorless self-importance just isn't my bag. Look at the recent reversion at WP:Wikispeak. Right, there was nothing personal in that, was there ;-) Dekkappai (talk) 20:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Just read the ANI-- I'd like to point out that TPH-- who has, for some reason, made me his "adversary"-- was in no way the target of the original post. It was Hullaballoo Wolfowitz. HW, to his credit, has taken it in the spirit it was intended-- an impotent, satirical rant against a project I've given up contributing to. HW has a rather obvious bias against erotic entertainment-- the Japanese (and to a lesser extent Korean) varieties of which used to be my area of expertise-- and I was pretending to have one against country music. Ha ha. I was called much worse right on ANI by a different editor, simply because of my contributions, and then my articles stalked and AfDs... Anyway, TPH has put himself in the middle of this. I've never dealt with the guy before that I'm aware of, and had no intention of doing so this time. I'd probably be upset if I hadn't been around here for several years and seen much worse go on... Just one more Wiki-character that makes this place what it is... Dekkappai (talk) 21:39, 13 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

I see Toddst1 has unblocked you because of the objections. :-) Bishonen | talk 22:09, 13 July 2011 (UTC).Reply

Hello, Ppai. I happened to come across you as the man who'd put the tree in country, or something like that (I couldn't quite follow the details). Erm, you're a gentleman of discernment and erudition; would you happen to possess any book that might be used to sauce up "Felice Beato"? This is an article created and "featured" back in the good or bad old days when people went through books, wrote articles based on them, listed the books, and that was it. Now the article is being threatened with demotion, which somehow seems a pity.

Oh, did you see this? -- Hoary (talk) 12:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Hi Hoary. Wow, Meiko Kaji, Japan's version of Howlin' Wolf, still in action, and still has the blues? Thanks!... The details of that latest incident?... I couldn't follow them either. I attempted to peeve one editor with an outrageously, obviously satirical rant-- Among other things, I threatened to delete every country article except for Johnny Cash and Burl Ives-- Another editor I've never attempted to peeve before took the bullet, and concocted a "Personal Attack" brouhaha out of the thing. Actually managed to get me blocked for a week for a few minutes... It's the stuff Wiki-dreams are made of... You put me in a quandary with the request. On the one hand, I've taken a vow of mainspace silence, on the other hand, you are an admin and could perma-ban me on a whim... So I'll see if I can fake up a little "reliable sourcing", if you know what I mean, nudge, nudge, a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat, heh heh ;) Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 13:33, 15 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

OK, here's a little. You can do the citing, since I quit this project because of having to edit-war over cited information with some thug with a bias. Anyway:

• Harris, David (1999). Of Battle and Beauty: Felice Beato's Photographs of China. Santa Barbara: Santa Barbara Museum of Art. OK
• Lacoste, Anne (2010). Felice Beato: A Photographer on the Eastern Road. Los Angeles: J. Paul Getty Museum. OK

In "China", sub-section "Taku Forts", "...first to document a military campaign as it unfolded", and the sentence ending "...bodies of dead Chinese soldiers." can both be cited <Lacoste, p. 10> OK

In "China", sub-section "Summer Palace", "...and Prince Kung, who signed on behalf of the Xianfeng Emperor." also, <Lacoste, p. 10> OK

Next paragraph, I would (based on the citation), re-word as "Beato returned to England in October 1861"... and cite after "...a London commercial portrait photographer." <Lacoste, pp. 11, 184> OK

In the section "Later years", "...but in January 1907 his company, F. Beato Ltd., went into liquidation". I would replace "January" with "early" (which the cite gives), and cite it <Harris, p. 37>

The section "Photography", first paragraph, sentence ending "...albumen silver prints from wet collodion glass-plate negatives". cite <Lacoste pp. 24-25> (chapter title: "Photographic Technique")

The sentence on panoramas ending, "...thereby re-creating the expansive view." cite <Lacoste pp. 8-9> (chapter title: "Beato and the Panorama")

The "panorama of "Pehtang" can have the same citation above, but seven instead of nin photographs, and the length is 202 cm (instead of 2.5 metres). (Harris gives the same numbers.)

Hope that helps a little. I can get more later, if need be, but at more cost of time & effort. Let me know if it's needed. Dekkappai (talk) 03:05, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Well done Sir! But wouldn't you like to put them in yourself? Yes of course you would. After all, just think of the surprise (and consternation?) that doing so would cause! -- Hoary (talk) 06:46, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

"OK" = I've done it. But for the rest, over to you. You know it would be fun, especially if you earlier promised no more mainspace edits. (Or do you mean you're under some odd ban or something?) Together, we can put the tree back in country.

Kaji Meiko . . . hmm. I haven't heard any of the new album but I have heard some older songs. To me, just about any example of the enka genre has impossibly annoying/saccharine orchestration. (Which is something I can't say for blues, which enka singers so love to invoke.) I'll listen for it on the youtubes.

Here's some real Japanese music for you and the missus. -- Hoary (talk) 07:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I'm with you on enka, also something called trot in Korea... the similarity to enka of which-- surprise!-- leads to endless arguments that one country stole the style from the other and vice-versa... Trot seems to have no beginning or ending... I swear I was on a bus ride from one end of Seoul to the other, and the same piece was playing when I got off as when I got on. It never stopped, never changed tempo, never changed rhythm... is there only one trot piece which runs on eternally?... or maybe it was the bus motor?... Nor do I hear any real "Blues" in either enka or trot. I mean of the, "I'm gonna quit that woman, before I commit a crime... I asked her for water, but she brought me gasoline, that's the evilest woman that I ever seen... She mixed my drink with a can of Red Devil Lye, then she sat down, watched me, hopin' that I might die..." variety. Good old Howlin' Wolf and Willie Dixon... But I digress, and risk being dragged off to ANI by an angry mob enka/trot buffs... You're trying to trick me into mainspace editing? Ha! I came here to contribute sourced content, and learned that instead you've just got to watch articles like a hawk, and fight non-stop to keep them from being chipped away then deleted (I'm not talking about honest vandalism, but "good" editors who all-too-often wind up Admins). And then you run into the crusaders who have a free-pass on edit-warring as long as they mumble "BLP" "Consensus" without ever pointing to anything concrete (or is there anything concrete here?). No, this is a great place for chatting & fighting, but not one to contribute. I think it's the "sum of human knowledge" slogan. It attracts megalomaniacs who want to shape that to their own biases... Anyway, I've been having a lot of fun doing what I came here to do over at Eigapedia (2,107 sourced stubs started between August 2010 and last month), and just last week I started yeonghwa to work on Korean cinema for a little while. After that I may go off & do something productive... Dekkappai (talk) 13:45, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

OK. Done. Should anyone remove the "covered by two English-language sources we like, which are easily accessable through the Internet" bit from our definition of "Notability", we can point to this sentence in the biography: "...the confusion over the dates and places of his birth and death..." I'm sure being born and dying on multiple dates and in multiple places (besides causing understandable confusion among those present at the events) must pass at least one of our criteria for "Notability". If not, it should. Dekkappai (talk) 21:44, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Splendid, splendid. Well done.

Eigapedia indeed looks interesting -- at least until Wikia dumps vile advertising all over it. You've got me wanting to watch both Mini-Skirt Lynchers (残酷おんな私刑) and Stray Cat Rock: Sex Hunter (野良猫ロック セックスハンター).

I'd never heard of trot when I first went to South Korea, which was way back when the popularity of enka in Japan didn't appear to be limited to drunks and the over-seventies. I too heard trot on the bus (between Pusan and Seoul, etc) and was struck by the resemblance. I didn't bother mentioning this in Korea, because in Korea everyone I met was rather too instantly certain that every resemblance meant that Japan had derived (if not stolen) whatever it was from Korea. (I learned that sushi, for example, was a Korean invention, stolen by the Japanese.) But I did mention "Korean enka" to people in Japan. They quickly corrected me: enka was Korean (adding that this would of course be vigorously denied by xenophobes).

The WP article on enka is remarkable, though I think not always intentionally so. Do you happen to have access to any authoritative Finnish ears? I ask because one of the most arresting parts of the article reads To Finnish ears, enka is considered to be somewhat like a mix between Finnish tango and Finland's traditional vocal melodic style.^{[citation needed]} -- Hoary (talk) 00:09, 17 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

If I can chime in, the Finnish article on enka (fi:enka) makes no such comment, as least what I can discern after tossing it through Google Translate. It might be worth dropping a line to one of the editors of the Finnish version to see what he can locate (e.g., fi:Käyttäjä:Epiq)... Tabercil (talk) 00:33, 17 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Um . . . pass. (I don't want to outstay my welcome at fi:WP.) But a good suggestion, yes. -- Hoary (talk) 05:47, 17 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

The Finns ripping you off, Hoary? I've seen my stuff pop up in some interesting places, usually uncredited. I take it as a badge of honor. I joined this project to spread the joy, and I'm glad to see it spread... Dekkappai (talk) 15:20, 17 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Yes, whether it's joy or nightsoil, let it be spread. -- Hoary (talk) 23:20, 17 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, the Korea/Japan thing... I dearly love them both, but why can't similarities between the two countries/cultures be ascribed to... Similarities between the two countries/culture? Glad to see relations between the countries thawing finally... I have heard some Finnish vocalizing (traditional-- pieces from the Kalevala, or upon which the Kalevala was based, or something...), and wasn't immediately struck by a similarity to enka trot style... though that comparison was far from my mind when I heard it... My first glance at the Enka article produces this jaw-dropper: "...considered to resemble traditional Japanese music stylistically..." Good God. That's as big a whopper as that claim that Ebonics was unrelated to English... I think I'll stop reading it there before I go into another rant. Got to many rants on the hopper as it is... Speaking of which: Yep, I hate Wikia with a passion (log in, turn off all the ads, and select a decent format, then it's passable), but love the ability to put together info on things without... you know the rant. I'm thinking of leaving this whole Wiki-esque hobby in a couple months. Turn over a new leaf & use my free time for my own benefit instead of that of our esteemed leader, Wales... I'll still poke in here occasionally to be a pain-in-the-ass, of course... Mini-Skirt Lynchers is one of the many very intriguing titles Eigapedia brought to my attention.. I haven't seen Stray Cat Rock: Sex Hunter yet, but I believe it is out on English-subbed DVD-- high on my watch-list. Next time I'm in good with Netflix I'll give it a look. Yeonghwapedia is very young and skimpy on content, of course, but at least take a look at the link given in The Housemaid[1] You can see the film online, as well as read "my" bio of Kim Ki-young as introduced by Marty Scorsese. Dekkappai (talk) 02:50, 17 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

I'm not sure how much WP benefits Wales. Now and again he does get invited to Colbert's show, where he's amiably insulted. He's profiled kindly here and there. But with thousands of more or less anonymous active editors, there are sure to be tens of psychopaths and complete fools, and then it's Wales who's expected to grovel for their stupidity and malevolence. I don't envy him. ¶ I'll try to find time to see The Housemaid, but it won't be for over a week. ¶ More to say, but no time in which to say it. -- Hoary (talk) 23:20, 17 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

I was thinking more of Wikia-- I think he makes coin off that, or someone is, given all the ads... Yeonghwapedia just brought to my attention, This little opus from Shin Sang-ok Woman Prisoner No. 407 (and the sequel, Woman Prisoner No. 407 2). Korean WIP? Dare I hope for a Korean Sasori? (Judging from the video clip, no...) Housemaid is very interesting. Be sure to give it a look sometime. Dekkappai (talk) 21:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Hey, thanks, Blofeld! Glad to know I'm not just amusing myself here sometimes... Yeah, those Pink film female actors are something, aren't they ;-) Dekkappai (talk) 18:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Do you think Wendi Deng is hot?♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

Hi Blofeld. If you're playing match-maker, I'm afraid I'm not quite in Ms. Deng's range, financially or ethically that is. (Age-wise... closer...) And besides, I'm spoken for... I've never seen her before, but judging from what little I've seen just now... I like 'em a little earthier... Oh-- just saw the video of her attacking the pie-thrower. While ideologically, I side with the pie-thrower, I admire her spunk. Mrs. Dekk would have done the same, though she's strong enough to have floored the guy ;-) Dekkappai (talk) 19:46, 20 July 2011 (UTC)Reply

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HA! Hoisted by your own petard! You find the image, size it down to Wiki-policy-standards, fill out the image description according to policy and practice of the day, then some guy uploads the same image, full-size, obviously from the same site you got yours, claims it's his own work, and the geniuses at Wikipedia accept his word. Next your image is removed and replaced with his. Step 2, yours is deleted. Wait a while, and someone will realize he doesn't own it, then delete it (Hey Step three has already started!) Now, your image is long gone, and the article image-less. But who cares? No one's watching it anyway. The movie isn't even in English ferchrissakes! Who cares about it? HA! Rizzleboffin (talk) 20:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)Reply