User talk:Former user 20/Archive2

Hello Jason,

I still believe that you can contribute to the article in which was asked for mediation Mark K. Bilbo. So now, I think is up to you to make also compromise since on the talk page there is already a solution of compromise. You should be aware that not reaching now the compromise will lead to escalation and eventually even worst situations. I suggest you that you can avoid all this by simply proposing in such a manner that you can convince the other side that's worth to be mentioned in the article. I wish you success. Bonaparte talk 21:43, 4 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

As of now, there is no compromise. There is only deletion. If you are truly a Cabal mediator interested in helping, then I suggest you do something to help. Several people have ignored your ruling/suggestion in the matter. You seemingly don't care. Now, I'd appreciate it if you either recommended the matter go to formal mediation or you step in and let your voice be heard regarding the compromise. The people involved, I know them too well, are not interested in compromise. They are only interested in pardoning one of their own because they have the same vice as he. --Jason Gastrich 22:14, 4 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Jason, I'm not an atheist, I don't suffer from their vice. You are a nusance and you need to be stopped. The good thing is, is that all your really doing, is making more and more people keep their eye on you. Your time here is short. Icj tlc 22:22, 4 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

If you attempt to contact my church or father again, you will be brought up on harrasment charges. Please stop. If you feel that you are right in our debates, take it to an administrator, but your attempts to harras me, my church, or my family will not be tolerated. Icj tlc 01:30, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

You publicly claimed to be a pastor at Life Church in Sacramento and you personally gave me a link to your church's web site. Before and after, you've been acting like a complete jerk. Furthermore, you've never said or done anything that I've heard or seen that could be considered Christian. But you have done the following: vandalized my talk page (and you were banned for 24 hours from an admin for it), engaged in personal attacks, harassed me for wanting the truth on the Mark K. Bilbo entry, emailed me rude things, etc.

Maybe you should read through other people's comments before you delete. If you did that you would notice that I NEVER claimed to be "The" Pastor, I did and still do claim and avow that I am the "Youth" Pastor. Yes I was banned for 24 hours, but I did not engage in a personal attack, I posted a public apology on behalf of christians everywhere for your behavior. This is in your page history, maybe you should read it again. You are so adamant that the truth being told about Mark K Bilbo, but what of the truth being told of your hero, Kent Hovind? Icj tlc 13:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

These are things that your pastor (your Dad, now I find) need to know. No pastor should ever act like you do. You're not a vigilante. You're not doing God's work. You are doing nothing, whatsoever, besides eating a little of my time.

Again, read before deleting. In the same reply where I gave you our churches web address, I said, "look at the Sr. Pastor's name, doesn't it look familiar, that's right, he's my dad." Am I beginning to ring any bells here, Jason? BTW No Christian should ever act the way you do, that's how Genocide happens. Icj tlc 13:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Whoever you answer to needs to know what you are doing and they need to reprimand you; and they will. In fact, your pastor/father called me, today. I don't suppose you'll listen to me, but I do suppose you'll listen to your spiritual overseer.

I answer to God, as do you. You are a liar, he did not call you. As a matter of fact all that really happened was that you left a message on the church answering machine. When my dad asked me about it, I told him all about you. His reply was to laugh. You see, since you asked about my background before, we used to belong to an organization that agrees very much with you doctrine and tactics. We left that organization 13 years ago, and now we find narrow minded people, such as yourself, laughable, nothing more. Icj tlc 13:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Please do not contact me, again. As I said before, since you've been trying to get me thrown off Wikipedia - before and after that futile attempt - I have never, ever seen or heard one thing from you that could make me think you are a brother in Christ or even a person of integrity. In fact, from the little I know you, I cannot find even one redeeming quality. You seem to be wasting time and space and getting in the way of my efforts to further the cause of Christ. Therefore, it's best that you stay away from me until you can shine Christ's light through you; instead of hate. If you can repent to God and seek forgiveness, then you can email me. Until that time, we have nothing in common.

I have attempted to contact you, that you are telling the truth about. And although 2 of my email addresses are posted in varied places on WikiPedia, you have never once attempted to contact me. But you did go "running to my daddy" didn't you. I find this as a sign of cowardice. My actions might not seem christian to you, but that's only because your looking through your twisted perception of what it means to be a "Christian!" I don't hate you Jason, I pity you! You are going to be suprised when you get to heaven and alot more people than you thought should make it are there. But that's the beauty of Christ, we are all unworthy. And while I am indeed a sinner (as are we all) and in need of repentence for a number of things, I do not need to repent over this. Icj tlc 13:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

If you still want to threaten me (e.g. you saying above "your time is short"), consider "WarriorScribe" (Dave Horn). He has been trolling me and trying to hurt me and my ministry for quite awhile. What good has it done? I'll sum it up right here: he has been able to revert 3 Wikipedia entries and encourage 3 unbelievers in their desire to reject God and me.

"Your time is short" is not a threat, it was a warning. Administrators, moderators, and numerous other users are beginning to look into your actions. Your personal POV and agenda have been noted by many. Who are the 3 people that have been encouraged to reject God? Maybe if they speak to a real Man of God, they could be persuaded to change their minds. I do believe that WarriorScribe have encouraged 3 people to reject you, I just hoped it had been a much larger number than that and I hope that we will add to that number as well. Icj tlc 13:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

In the meantime, since he began his quest, by the grace and blessing of God and my Savior Jesus Christ, http://jcsm.org has grown by nearly 100,000 web pages, our yearly income has doubled from 2004 to 2005, our subscribers for the weekly devotions have increased by about 5 people every day, we've launched http://wiki4christ.com, http://believeandrepent.com, http://yecs.org, http://macsd.org, http://skepticsannotatedbible.org, etc. I've been faithful with JCSM's weekly devotions, text and audio, I've launched the National Life Journal, and on and on and on. So, "WarriorScribe"/Dave Horn (who will be trolling me, reading, and replying here any minute), Icj tlc, and anyone else who doesn't like me, rest assured that your efforts to troll me and spread hate and slander against me have only done what those sorts of things have always done and will always do: fueled me to stay up later, to work even harder, and to do everything I possibly can to further the cause of Christ into this hungry world. As you were, guys. And by the way, thanks. I'm not sure if I would have been motivated enough to do it all without you. Glory to God for what He has done, what He is doing, and what He will do. --Jason Gastrich 03:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

My quest? Your really not that important to me Jason, in the bigger scheme of things, I do hope that you eventually learn from your mistakes. Were I the type of Christian that you seem to be, I would call your Pastor and inform him of your actions, and your claims of a "Ministry" based on a rather poorly put together website. But I'm not like you, and while I know this is a big blow to your ego, your really aren't that important to me. Icj tlc 13:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Gastrich, you tried to intimidate someone who opposes your views in an attempt to influence the content of the Wikipedia. What you did was wrong. It's that simple. Mark K. Bilbo 15:09, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Untrue. I take the title "pastor" very seriously. If someone wants to wear that title and relentlessly harass me and my ministry efforts, then their spiritual overseer needs to be contacted. Plain and simple. Perhaps you don't know that he vandalized my talk page, got banned for 24 hours for personally attacking me and said vandalism, has left me insulting emails, and has launched an attempt to get me banned from Wikipedia. All for what? Apparently, all because I think the Mark K. Bilbo entry should include the truth about his liberal use of profanity, name calling, personal attacks, and mockery when it comes to his interaction with others. He's obviously an awfully misdirected fellow and his pastor gave him wise advice. He said, "Leave Jason Gastrich alone." You may not realize it, but mature, spiritual overseers actually appreciate it when they have the opportunity to correct one of their "proteges" who are failing to meet a Christ-like ideal. --Jason Gastrich 23:56, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Once again Jason, you are lying. I never claimed to be "The" pastor of anything. I said I was a youth pastor on my user page and in my posts else where I have said minister. Once again, I did not vandalize your page, I posted an apology for your actions on behalf of Christians. Once again, Jason, you are lying. My father did not advise me in the manner you're suggesting, you left out the part about him laughing at you. He said, "Leave that guy alone, he's trouble!" Stop Lying Jason. That is a sin. If you were a minister you would know that. It's true I did receive a 24 hour ban. One of which I'm proud, I actually boast about it on my user page. I haven't denied it once, nor have I deleted any of your posts from my talk page as you have repeatedly done to my posts on your page. Icj tlc 00:10, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Don't even try it Gastrich, you harrassed him. And you know quite well that you and I have a history and this is all about ax grinding because you don't like me. It's that simple. Being I'm the subject of the article, I was trying to keep some distance from this but when you took it to the level of harrassing someone offline to get your way in your childish axe grinding campaign, well, I'm involved now. The article will not be your little platform for launching your immature attacks on me. If the Wiki allows that, I will get that article ripped out of here. Period. Mark K. Bilbo 00:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Gastrich, can you please just leave the Mark K. Bilbo page alone? It's not very important (no offense to Mark). The amount of effort being wasted on this page could instead be expended to make other pages a lot better. --Cyde Weys _vote^talk 20:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi Cyde. Thanks for your input. However, a compromise seems much more wise and appropriate than nothing at all. Your opinion is as worthwhile as theirs. Will you contribute to the compromise? Don't let it take up too much of your time and I won't let it take up too much of mine. Deal? P.S. Please feel free to call me Jason. --Jason Gastrich 23:56, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Stay cool. Don't make any edit on page one week.

You see that you are reaching very fast the compromise. One week edit pause. Any other future edit will be on the talk page posted and I will watch it first. See you in one week. Bonaparte talk 19:15, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Good enough for me. I hope we meet a virtuous compromise. Please help contribute to it. You are one person that everyone should respect as objective. --Jason Gastrich 23:57, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Please see talk page for final decision from the Cabal Mediator. Bonaparte talk 20:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply