Talk:Avenged Sevenfold

M Shadows sings on the song Like Always by Kiss for Kings (Formerly A Permanent Holiday)

Why is it so hard for people to call Avenged Sevenfold metal and rock? I propose that the word metal be used in this article as an umbrela term for a group who fits into many/some "heavy metal" subgenre barriers. Just as it seems we are doing with the term rock in this article. 99.233.105.177 (talk) 00:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

alrity there is an error on the Band name and lyrical content. Cain would suffer "vengeance seven times over" should be or (in a different version) (if you prefer) should suffer "vengeance sevenfold"

I've been a fan of A7X for quite some time and I have read this page many times and I was curious who the heck is Matt Wendt and when where they added because I don't recall anyone of that name being in the band.

You can't pinpoint A7X as only a metalcore band in the opening paragraph, therefore, I have changed it to read "heavy metal/hard rock with hardcore influences". If you wish to dispute it, please show your evidence that A7X ONLY represents metalcore before reverting it. --Supercodes (talk) 22:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

"Reasoning behind their change in style can be attributed to the fact that they weren't making near as much money being heavy metal, so they completely cut screaming out of their music, thus making the change from heavy metal to hard rock, in order to slip into the mainstream and make more money. They are often labeled as sellouts because of this." Who wrote this? It just seems wrong to put this and seems like the author is bashing the band —Preceding unsigned comment added by Titan50 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Agreeing with above post; that section needs serious rewriting. RWyn (talk) 00:33, 22 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

if you are nodding your head with the guy who says they are sell outs then you are obviously an idiot, Avenged Sevenfold stopped screaming because the lead singer blew a vain in his throat while screaming so he cant scream anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MacNJack (talk • contribs) 21:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Who put in all of those fuckin genres like hardcore punk alternative metal power ballad and THIRD WAVE SKA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? >:o

I noticed some of their new material has thrash elements. Would it be appropriate to say they are thrash? They have speed metal elements, and they have a couple occasional shouts and screams in a few of their songs. Wut do you think? RaikiriChidori 12:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

There is a "genre" section describing a7x's apparent variations in their genre and styles. You should feel free to contribute to that section by showing examples of songs of theirs that demonstrate thrash or speed metal.

Andrew Nutter (talk) 01:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Hmmm. I always thought that having a genre argument on here was a bad idea. Anyway the point with A7X is that they don't want to get put into a specific genre. They want to evolve constantly so they can't get "typecast". I think that should be included somewhere. I'll come back with a reference. The thing is if you start showing examples of different genres your going to have a very, very long page of pretty much meaningless information. P'sInTheShadows (talk) 14:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

They have death metal elements would it be pertinent to write it? I think they're fuckin' emo too but the latest album was more from power metal thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.201.169.202 (talk) 16:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

You people take the genre of this band way too seriously. Who gives a fuck.

Its true who cares what genre they are just enjoy the music.

I think personally that A7X perposally makes they're music sound unique just to drive stupid people that have to put a label on everything insane.

Um....their music is definitly not unique sounding. Obviously you've never listened to any of the bands they completely steal their "unique sound" from.. 74.67.202.89 21:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Hey mr. 74.67.202.89. please quit wasting everyones time attacking a band in their discussion page. Zanders5k 21:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Almost all of there songs are different.I know,i own all 38 currently released,and they are all about change,they don't stick to one genre,so the best decision would be just to classify them as rock.4.235.189.179 03:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

74.67.202.89, you must be pretty dumb aren't you. EVERY band "copies" other bands if they even affiliate with any genre at all. Avenged Sevenfold just happens to "copy" far less than everyone else by just using elements from multiple genres to create music that is truly their own, rather than just finding one genre they're good at and sticking to it; that would really be copying. And yeah, person who started this thread, you have a good point in that genre really doesn't matter, which is why I started the little section saying how, to Avenged Sevenfold, genre really means nothing and all that stuff. And just because it isn't something to judge music by or whatever, it doesn't mean it isn't something worth thinking about, does it? I think that would be a bit ignorant.

Andrew Nutter (talk) 01:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

I noticed that the article mentions that the name "avenged sevenfold" comes from Genesis 4:15, which says "therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold...." I was wondering if the person who wrote the article (or anyone who happens to be reading this) knows if that is really true. Since their name contains the word "avenged," which implies vindication, it seems incorrect to say that their name came from a verse that has "vengeance," meaning punishment more than vindication. Instead, the actual phrase shows up in Genesis 4:24, which says "If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold." I wonder if their name actually came from the story of Lamech than specifically the story of Cain?

Kkhunziker 01:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)kkhunzikerReply

I'll have to see if I can find the interview - or whatever I read this in - again, but I know I read somewhere that Avenged Sevenfold said themselves that, that is where the band's name came from. Sunrise55 21:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)SPLEEEEEEEENNNN!!!!!Reply

It's in All XS. Goes over the band name in quite alot of detail although I would'nt know how you could reference it.P'sInTheShadows (talk) 14:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

I also saw that in Genesis and I think that it is from Genesis 4:24 and not 4:15. I'm not going to change it because I'm not sure but it makes more since as Genesis 4:24. Ziggy55 (talk) 04:21, 30 January 2008 (UTC) Wow I didn't know the members where Christian but their music isn't right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.33.172 (talk) 20:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Well... YES IT ACTUALLY COMES FROM THE FRICKING BIBLE, YES IT COMES FROM CAIN, YES THEY ROCK AND YES YOU NEED TO GET OVER THE WHOLE OVER ANALYZING THING

All bibles are different, mine doesnt say "avenged sevenfold" but "suffer vengeance seven times over" and in the case of Lamech if Cain is avnged seven time, then Lamech seventy seven times." I think he Matt either had to revise what hed written, or his bible says "avenged sevenfold", straight up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.158.15 (talk) 03:23, 4 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

First of all there's too many. And the to do is empty. and what does this have to do with california??? Lg1223 20:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

I think City Of Evil's main genre is Punk Metal (but not Metalcore). It fits in with its contemparies like Eighteen Visions etc. It is quite punky at the same time as being metal thats why I call it Punk Metal.

i'm going to pose a question here... i;m just putting this out there... WHO CARES what the genre is... just enjoy the music

If you guys check out my topic about genre disputes a few sections down, you can contribute your idea as to what the genre should be. --BoaDrummer 06:53, 20 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

• Zacky Vengeance owns his own clothing line, called "Zacky V. Presents..." It features the popular "Vengeance University" line, featuring shirts, belt buckles and hoodies. Each of his items are labled with 6661 which is upside down for the year that the band Avenged Sevenfold started. [1].
• Synyster Gates also has a clothing line, titled "Syn Gates Clothing."
• The Rev and Synyster were both members of the band Pinkly Smooth, formed with members of the now-extinct band Ballistico. The Rev sang and also recorded drums. Former Avenged Sevenfold bassist, Justin Sane, was also in the band.
• The Rev and former bassist Justin Sane also used to be in the ska/pop/rock band Suburban Legends, also from Orange County.
• The group won "Best New Artist" at the 2006 MTV Video Music Awards, despite not truly being a new band. The band themselves gave an incentive to those who voted for them (live, unreleased videos for "Seize the Day" and "Bat Country")
• Synyster Gates' father, Brian Haner plays some of the acoustic guitars on City of Evil, including the first acoustic solo on the song Sidewinder and Strength of the World. He is often referred to as the band's official acoustic guitarist.
• The song "Beast and the Harlot" was featured in 2006 PlayStation2's Guitar Hero II under the setlist Face-Melters. It also appears in the Xbox 360 port of the game.
• The idea from the song Beast and the Harlot, and many of the lyrics, were taken from the Book of Revelation, the final book of the Bible. Much of the song appears in chapters 20-25.
• Zacky V came up with 6661 which represents the year the band was formed, inverted; Zacky can be seen sporting on stage his 6661 belt buckles.
• In an episode of Bones you can hear the song "Bat Country" in the background of a party.
• In the movie Big Momma's House II you can hear part of the song "Bat Country" in the back ground at a night club.
• In The Playstation 2 Game Burnout Revenge, an edited version of "Beast and The Harlot" is a soundtrack song
• In an episode of Always Sunny in Philadelphia, you can see an Avenged sticker in the bathroom at their bar.
• In the music video for "Before He Cheats" by Carrie Underwood you can see a woman in the background wearing an A7X tank top.
• Avenged Sevenfold's vocalist M. Shadows will be appearing on country rapper Cowboy Troy's new CD.
• The Song "Bat Country" is heavily influenced by Hunter S Thompson's Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. The music video starts off like the actual movie, quoting "He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
• M Shadows says only 10 out of 18 songs made it to the new album, which they co-produced. See the full interview here [2], while they were in Singapore for music festival SingFest. Some performances here [3]

Per the Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles guideline I have moved this section to talk page so that it can be sourced, then integrated into the article where and if appropriate. Yamaguchi先生 01:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Just another addition to the trivia section that could be integrated somewhere on the main page but the song "Almost Easy" appears on the soundtrack of Need For Speed:Pro Street. Annoyingly I'm at work and can't access games sites so I can't get a reference.P'sInTheShadows (talk) 15:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

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Although the Good Charlotte article mentions that M. Shadows is a guest vocalist on one of their tracks, I don't think this qualifies as associated acts. Plus this isn't even mentioned on this page. Random89 06:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

How come this isn't mentioned anywhere? You can check their website.--Lynx Austin 18:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

It's "ALL EXCESS" not "Access"... Just making sure it's spelled corectly...--LockedUpInside

Okay, I read the article, and it's pretty decent, far better than what was there previously. First, information about the band should be first in the band history, not in the second paragraph after descriptions of Waking the Fallen and City of Evil. Personally, I'd have "Band HIstory" (and under that, give a history) with subheadings below that for "Member History" and "Album History." It would accomplish a greater sense of organization and professionalism. I won't make any changes because (1) I'm completely incompetent when it comes to Wiki markup language and (2) I'm all for democracy on this, unless we're voting for something entirely stupid. --CanesOL79 04:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

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BetacommandBot 05:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

I think people might want to leave the edits in the code for the chart history and singles history tables to people who actually know what they're doing. I just spent a half hour fixing up the codes. --BoaDrummer 20:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

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BetacommandBot 04:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

I messed around with the organization a little bit, the whole huge chunk of text always seemed a bit overwhelming to me. I broke it down into a few smaller topics. If anyone has any issue with that, feel free to comment. --BoaDrummer 18:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

We're having some issues on the page with a particular user, namely User:Mehicdino constantly changing the genre of the band from hard rock/heavy metal to only metal. I think a while back we'd agreed that the genre should be listed as both hard rock and heavy metal. I've warned him a number of times to not change the genre, but my warnings are unnoticed or ignored. Does this call for a sort of reporting for vandalism or something else? --BoaDrummer 05:18, 19 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

It would be better if a link to this discussion can be provided. That way some community consensus can be shown to the users that change the genre or propose to change it. I think if the link cannot be provided then the community should again discuss the genre providing sources where appropriate. Because in the warnings you placed on the talk page you say that a discussion has taken place but no links were provided to the discussion. As this apparently is disputed there should be community consensus as to what genre is to be listed.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 00:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)Reply