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: Mel, I did explain on your talk page. I explained why I think the two aren't the same, and why they shoudn't be lumped together. I've asked you to explain why you think they're sufficiently similar to merit being in the same article. I'm keen to hear your opinion; please tell me that it is, so that we might discuss. -- [[User:John Fader|John Fader]] ([[User talk:John Fader|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/John Fader|''contribs'']]) 17:40, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
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