Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alpha Kappa Nu (second nomination)

This is an interesting case. This article was deleted at AfD here last week, given concerns over its bias regarding the "first black fraternity" controversy. A different version was then recreated. A very confused, newbie/SPA-populated DRV did nothing to elucidate the matter. Imput from experienced, impartial editors is needed here. This debate with be semi-protected to curb newbie/SPA spamming, and the full history of the article will be restored to allow diff. comparison. I undertake this nomination as editor concerned about the quality of the article. Weak delete, pending discussion. Xoloz 15:16, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin: Beware that this article draws WP:SPAs. Xoloz 15:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewing the previous debates, esepcially the concerns over authorship and motivation as well as the nature of the sources, I am inclined to vote delete on this. Eusebeus 15:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article should be deleted based on the speculative nature (POV) of the references provided and the author’s further misquoting of these references. Alpha Kappa Nu has been out of existence for 100 years. The only authentic proof of its existence at all is the picture provided. Membership roster and bios can be deduced by this picture, if one is desirous to labor in that original research.

However, and of the utmost importance, since there’s no written documentation to be found anywhere in the form of a Constitution, preamble, or mission statement, it’s speculative to conclude whether or not Alpha Kappa Nu was a club, society, fraternity, exclusive membership based on race, gender, or social status, academic, social, or service oriented (“strengthen the Negro voice at the city and the university”? Says who?), or otherwise. Presenting any such evidence as 100% fact on this or any other site, as well as any and all journal and newspaper publications should be avoided.

I whole-heartedly support deletion in its entirety. Adisalee 16:56, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article should be deleted because NinjaNubian/MyKungfu is using multiple IPs to endorse keep for article and terrorising Alpha Phi Alpha and Alpha Kappa Alpha. Bearly541 02:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep, with some conditions, though. I don't see any reason to doubt the organization's existence, and while the article as it stood at deletion was horribly written, it's properly sourced and the core material seems to be accurate. Keeping it and semi-protecting it should allow for significant article improvements without User:Mykungfu's typical tactic of heavy editing via anonymous IPs. His misbehavior on other articles - he's violated WP:3RR, WP:SOCK, and has harassed a number of other editors - shouldn't affect our votes here. (Please note that I voted to delete in the prior debate, but after further review, would lean towards keeping it.) | Mr. Darcy talk 02:33, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

At best, the most accurate historical presentation of AKN would read as follows: Alpha Kappa Nu was a club at Indiana in 1903. Members shown in the photo are _________. This organization existed only a few years and left no information about what type of organization if was (study group, fraternity, radical militant group, honor society, Black nationalists?) its scope, purpose, aims, goals, or membership requirememnts. Why even have an article of three sentences? Adisalee 12:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

rather than retype.. i'm going to copy and paste from the edit section. i will omit those portions that are the same users expressing the same opinions..

*comment an endorsement to keep: by definition "Articles that serve no purpose but to disparage their subject or some other entity (e.g., "John Q. Doe is an imbecile"). This includes a biography of a living person that is negative in tone and unsourced, where there is no NPOV version in the history to revert to." It doesn't fit the standards of an attack page. Mykungfu 23:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• endorse keep: historically relavent and can be clarified via talk section. 150.210.226.6 22:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• endorse keep: 64.131.205.160 00:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• endorse deletion: The original article was clearly an attack page[1] (as verified by several non-interested parties) written in retaliation for the author's inablility to gain consensus on his POV on the Alpha Phi Alpha page. The author has recently re-created the article, citing opinion articles as fact. No original document refers to Alpha Kappa Nu as (a) a fraternity, (b)an entity that was ever formally chartered or incorporated (c) an entity that "lasted several years" as the author states in the article. The author cites as established fact articles that are clearly an expression of opinion, including undergraduate college newspapers articles[2], one of which clearly misquotes its original source (this misquote[3] is the basis for most of Mykungfu's claims about Alpha Kappa Nu, and he prefers to use it rather than the original source document from which the unattributed quote was taken[4]). However, the author has a history of deleting, without discussion, any corrective edits, even if they cite the same information that the author cites. -Robotam 20:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• comment: 6 Distinct references are provided. Solely dealing with Alpha Kappa Nu. Reknown historians refer to Alpha Kappa Nu as a fraternity. It bore greek letters, was an organization on a college campus. Having a charter or incorporation aren't critera to being a fraternity, which is the basis of Robotam's argument. Fraternity by definition is [5]

1. a local or national organization of male students, primarily for social purposes, usually with secret initiation and rites and a name composed of two or three Greek letters. 2. a group of persons associated by or as if by ties of brotherhood. 3. any group or class of persons having common purposes, interests, etc.: the medical fraternity. 4. an organization of laymen for religious or charitable purposes; sodality. 5. the quality of being brotherly; brotherhood: liberty, equality, and fraternity. 6. the relation of a brother or between brothers. Robotam is the original individual whom wrote of Alpha Kappa Nu as being an attack page. Any issue he brings up can be brought into the talk section. He is a member of Alpha Phi Alpha a rival fraternity which has a disputed claim of being the first inter collegiate black fraternity. Robotam has brought issue with Sigma Pi Phi the oldest black fraternity nationwide. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sigma_Pi_Phi&action=history He has brought issue on whether or not it is even a fraternity [6] when on it's national website it states, Sigma Pi Phi Fraternity http://www.sigma-pi-phi.net/ . This only creates un necessary rhetoric and pointless arguing. 152.163.100.138 04:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

*comment: an edorsement to keep One University (University of Houston) and One college (Morgan State) Website aren't personal websites. Regardless of whether or not an oganization (Sigma Pi Phi) is collegiate doesn't take aways from the fact that it is a fraternity. Revert war accusation is ridiculous. That was over numerous issues as can be seen by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Alpha_Phi_Alpha . Going by a classical definition fraternity that is provided Alpha Kappa Nu is a fraternity. Robotam has himself been accused of being a sockpuppet http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Robotam&oldid=76944904 while his Alias Ccson has been warned about 3rr violations this month on Wikipedia this month. I am wondering, where does it state the word false in the Alpha Kappa Nu article? This could easily take place in the talk section, not thru article deletion. 152.163.100.138 22:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• endorse keep: on a side note this personal attack written by robotam in bold should be removed

observation should note that there exists problems between Robotam, Ccson, Bearly and Mykungfu as can be obeserved here.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Robotam and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/NinjaNubian 152.163.100.138 00:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• endorse keep: beneficial article 205.188.117.13 22:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• endorse keep: per above written comment 152.163.100.138 06:28, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]