Talk:List of Lucky Star characters

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A revert warring is preventing me from add the individual pages/chapters in the in-line citations. I have merely inserted the Japanese manga hardcopies, which is necessary for groundwork to start working on in-citations its individual pages and got reverted within minutes. It would go like this :

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• Yoshimizu, Kagami (2005-01-08). Raki☆Suta (1). Tokyo, Japan: Kadokawa Shoten. p. 149. ISBN 9784048538060. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) Template:Ja icon
• Yoshimizu, Kagami (2005-08-10). Raki☆Suta (2). Tokyo, Japan: Kadokawa Shoten. p. 151. ISBN 9784048539036. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) Template:Ja icon
• Yoshimizu, Kagami (2006-07-06). Raki☆Suta (3). Tokyo, Japan: Kadokawa Shoten. p. 150. ISBN 9784048539784. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) Template:Ja icon

If it is not reverted to the format I need to work on, then I'll stop working altogether and leave the list in such a sorry state. - Mailer Diablo 06:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but making such a threat seems very immature to me. You are willing to source, but only if you are allowed to do it in your preferred fashion, despite it going against the already established referencing system here? You will only put in sources if you can do it in such an ugly fashion that does not fit in with what is already in use in the page and does not fit what is used on any other anime/manga list at all? I'm sorry you aren't willing to do it the way already established, but if you can't stick with that, then I guess it will just sit here like that (and FYI, the pages variable is NOT for a page count of the book, nor should you stick the ja icon at the end, but rather use the actual language parameter). Also, since its licensed, the English volumes should be used, unless you really are reading the Japanese volumes. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 06:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

• Are you sure that the English volume exists? For the record, I'm using WP:CITESHORT, a format that is prevalent in FAs; It makes no sense to give the full citation of the whole book in at least 20 instances. - Mailer Diablo 06:26, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article says it is licensed for English release. If it isn't, and you don't read Japanese, how you can you claim any sources at all? And just because it is used in other FAs does not mean you get to force it here when there are already other instances. Many FAs do not use it either, nor do any FL character or other fictional element lists that I've ever seen, including the Naruto one I pointed you to, which is a much longer series with 30+ volumes. It is not a requirement and per the same page "editors should not change an article with a distinctive citation format to another without gaining consensus." You didn't get consensus and have made it clear that you will only bother yourself to do the work if you do. That's blackmail and a threat, and has no place in editing here. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 06:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

• Thing is, are you sure that such a book (english version) exist? Licensed is not equivalent of an english version of the manga published. I do know that pirated English translations exist and Bandai only released English versions of the anime. I have the Chinese (Taiwanese) copies. I went to the bookstore where they sold Japanese and Chinese versions, compared one-to-one by hand and they matched other than the language. This article had no prior book citations. I have not seen any editor kicking a ruckus on FAC that the citation format is not what they want; if that is the case FAC would be stopped dead in the tracks. And please, choosing to walk away from this, rather than revert warring and get blocked, is considered blackmail? I am just a volunteer editor to this encyclopedia offering my services, I'm not obliged or bound by anyone to do anything. - Mailer Diablo 06:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, considering it was only licensed a few months ago, there probably isn't a version in North America yet. Does take time to properly do. So you are using the Chinese versions, not the Japanese versions? In that case the sources would be the Chinese versions, at least until the English ones are released, then they would all have to be changed. And no, there isn't going to be a ruckus at FAC about formatting because the formatting is already established (though despite your assertion, I've seen several recent ones where the articles WERE pinged for bad referencing formatting). If this were a new article without any references, you should claim first right to shove in whatever format you want. But it isn't and a format is already established. You don't get to change that, which your attempts would do. If this list ever got to FL, it would be pinged for inappropriate style mixing. Why is it so hard for you to just use the established method with inline citations? If people can do it for a list as huge and with as many references at Naruto, why can't you do it for a little 4 volume series? Hell, I did it for List of Tokyo Mew Mew characters, which is 7 volumes + a 2 volume sequel. It isn't like its that hard to do. And yeah, you're "just a volunteer" but claiming you will only do something if you can do it your way is blackmail. It has nothing to do with the revert warring and getting blocked, you specifically said you will ONLY source this article if you can do it in the way you prefer instead of the far more common way used in fictional topics. (citeshort is rarely used in these areas, its more prevalent in the academic/non-fiction stuff) -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 06:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

List of Tokyo Mew Mew characters -> size : 102.5kb. - Mailer Diablo 07:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So? What does that have to do with anything being discussed here? List of Naruto characters a featured list is 87k. TMM's list hasn't been copyedited yet, and will likely go down in size once the prose is tightened up (and it has a longer title and two authors). -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 07:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Trying to remove cruft, I tried rewriting one character (Yutaka) as a test. What do you think about this? If you feel fine with this, I would rewrite most character sections this way.--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 16:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I notice we're citing the character profiles on the Bandai site. I just thought it amusing considering that at least some of the information there was sourced from this page in the first place (note in particular [1] where they have still not corrected the obvious copy/paste error). Shiroi Hane (talk) 20:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*DOH* Me thinks that should probably be fixed here...-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:21, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To decruft, let's decide what is cruft and what isn't.

Lucky Star is a strip manga that is notable for its lack of a plot. As a result, there's no such a thing as "plot-relevant material" in this series, and the general public can get to know the basic facts by just mentioning the very basic facts. Which, in turn, means for the characters that I know how to write, I can remove about 60% of the length, concentrating on the basics.

Any opinions out there?

--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 19:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fumihiko Tachiki did the voices for over 60 extra characters in Lucky Star, yet isn't mentioned in this article. Is there any reason we shouldn't include him? David Bailey (talk) 23:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Remember that time when Kagami said how she was more japanese then her..? 98.14.15.12 (talk) 02:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]