User talk:Realist2

Hello, if you are here it is most likely that you want to complain about me or my edits. If you are a friend, welcome to my world, how can I help you? I'm incoherent when it comes to my messaging pattern, sometimes I reply here, sometimes at your talk page or sometimes at both. I archive my talk page manually, when it reaches about 60,000 bytes and I start to burn calories while scrolling.

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Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#Infobox_debate_12:_Summary_and_end_of_the_debate. Thanks --Kleinzach 23:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

leave taurus please thats all i want :) cheers.

No User:Jamalar, no. — Realist² 18:55, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The track listing posted on Rap-Up is reliable. Rap-Up has been used in many past articles and has never been reverted, what makes this one different? SE KinG (talk) 22:53, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just because no-one removed it that doesn't mean it's reliable. Some people don't follow policy, I do. Please wait for a reliable entity to report on the tracklist, not some obscure website. An official tracklist will be released within days, I'm sure you can wait. — Realist² 23:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Realist, it is indeed nice to be back in touch. I've just finished checking the intro and made a few small changes. I'll get to the rest sometime tomorrow, most likely in the evening. If you're very unlucky, I'll do it on Sunday.

Kind regards,

—Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 01:33, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oww, thank you very much. ;-) — Realist² 12:02, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you still use this page when !voting in an RfA? iMatthew (talk) 10:59, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really know where I stand with RfA currently. There is such a terrible need for admins at the moment that voting oppose is almost considered disruptive. Simply put, the current climate does not favor those who are usually on the neutral/oppose side of things. Not that the climate ever favored such people. Currently going neutral or opposing isn't worth the hassle. — Realist² 13:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unless of course there is good reason? If you have a very valid oppose, it's always worth mentioning. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 13:54, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that you can leave just your signature in the support section, with no questions asked, yet doing the same on the oppose side could result in a mad war, that ends with it all being sent to the talk page speaks volumes. You only have to read the talk page of WP:RFA to see that there is a slight anger over opposers. Yet the is no such anger over chronic supports. I understand the frustration though, we really do need more admins. — Realist² 14:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright - because you're recent vote in an RfA was supporting somebody with absolutely no featured or good content. I as well feel the candidate is ready for adminship - but I find it a little un-fair that you've opposed people for having no article work, and just support this candidate - with no article work. But if you're saying you won't use that criteria in the future - it's fine. iMatthew (talk) 15:41, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm saying that I'm not using it currently because the RfA climate is such that it's impossible to oppose without getting heckled or accused of bad faith actions. I will, as soon as possible, return to my usual pattern of voting. — Realist² 15:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, looking at it, my edit seems to have overwritten yours- shit happens from time to time. However, it's a fucking mess, not helped by the various personality conflicts that have arisen. Some period of reflection would be welcome, which is why I suggested waiting for Wesley to bring forth his proposals. He is good at getting music articles to GA and FA, and has a good grasp of the requirements. His proposals may not be universally acceptable, but they will represent a reasoned starting point. I'd rather spend some time to get it right than repeatedly argue the details. --Rodhullandemu 02:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm taking out my frustration on this. I'm seeing them back on my watchlist and it's doing my nut in already. ;-/ — Realist² 02:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, the information is not unsourced. The footnote simply refers to a source that isn't available for you to read immediately on the Internet. Second, you're right about the policies, however much I disagree with emulating a print encyclopedia. Wikipedia should be more mutable and not afraid of the possibility of being temporary. Professionally-written encyclopedias themselves do inevitably end up being dated and ridiculous with what turns out to be misplaced emphasis. But that's none of your business. You just enforce the policies. Aratuk (talk) 15:15, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, please see my conversation with Classicfilms on his talk page. I think that the article gives the false impression that Powell endorsed Obama mostly because of McCain's VP pick. How about we say firstly that Powell said, "because of his ability to inspire, because of the inclusive nature of his campaign, because he is reaching out all across America, because of who he is and his rhetorical abilities--and we have to take that into account--as well as his substance--he has both style and substance--he has met the standard of being a successful president, being an exceptional president"? I'm not sure whether you think this is too long or not. Khoikhoi 20:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think all the extra info about Muslims is unnecessary, just say that he didn't like the anti Muslim stuff and leave it at that. — Realist² 20:41, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about the bit about Palin? If you listen to the full endorsement you will see that this was only a minor reason. Khoikhoi 21:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree it was minor, he was talking more about the direction of his part or the campaign as a whole. — Realist² 21:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ive already said the situation on my talk page!. 86.29.250.4 (talk) 15:56, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I do not co-operate with sock puppeting genre warriors. There is no situation, sorry Jamalar. — Realist² 16:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think if we just let it rest, we'll all have a quiet life, and I've told Jamalar that was his/her last edit. Since it's obviously a personal IP address, I don't have a problem blocking it if there's any more edit-warring. Chill time. --Rodhullandemu 16:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, OK, guess so. — Realist² 17:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I'm sorry for my bad english (English grammar is not my strong side).

Hello, thank you for the explication of the referencing and citing information that I someday added (for example "Dance-pop artists", I know, AMG is not inadequate source |in fact, I've just copied that list of dance-pop artists|). Sincerely, RockandDiscoFanCZ (talk) 16:06, 24 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]

I'm sorry I had to remove your material but it was unsourced. However, if you can show me the AMG source you used I can add it and source it for you. I just need to see where you got the information from. :-) — Realist² 16:15, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I apprehend it. :-)

So my "inspiration" is from this AMG listing http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=77:8~T1 ... RockandDiscoFanCZ (talk) 16:33, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well looking at the list you originally added, you included artists like Michael Jackson. However the AMG like does not call him a dance-pop artist. If you want to use this source you can only use it for artists that AMG specifically call dance-pop. If you want to find other sources instead I can help. — Realist² 16:40, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uhm, well, thank you for offering to help :-) so I would like to add ONLY artists (with AMG reference) that have dance-pop origins, you know, *NSYNC or Britney Spears, and so on. And i would try get dance-pop references on official web (blogs, and other)... RockandDiscoFanCZ (talk) 17:21, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added some using a slightly different AMG link. By the way, blogs are generally not allowed on Wikipedia as they are considered unreliable (see WP:RS), please avoid blogs and fan sites. :-) Another thought, are you quite new to Wikipedia? Have you considered looking at our adoption program? If you like I can adopt you and teach you what I know about Wikipedia? :-) — Realist² 17:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

thank you very much. Hmm, I see .. blogs = it can have an Original research materal. Adoption program? No, but it sounds good! :-D. Yes, it'll be fine... little tour across the wikipedia, it sounds good :-) RockandDiscoFanCZ (talk) 18:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, I have officially adopted you. Basically I'm hear to help you, explain any concerns you have etc. I will also browse through your edits now and then, giving you feedback etc. We both seem to have passion for music too so we edit in a similar manner. I will set up our adoption center at User:RockandDiscoFanCZ/Adoption with Realist2. From now on we can communicate there instead of at our talk pages. I will watchlist our center page so anything you say or ask over there I will find out straight away. You should also watchlist so that anything I write will be read by you as soon as you check your watchlist. — Realist² 19:55, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's sounds great :-). Thank you. and I by-the-way have one option (but I don't want to worry you) about the references. In Disco article is an infobox with Classical influences without any reference. Yes, classical music & big band music influenced disco in the background (you know, that horns and strings that sounds jazzy & classical) but in fact, there is no site (within discosavvy.com) but this source is so short and this is the problem - how to confirm that really classical element is in the disco music without deleting this interesting fact? Because wikipedia needs references (wikipedia have been builded on facts & references). —Preceding unsigned comment added by RockandDiscoFanCZ (talk • contribs) 21:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will reply to this on our adoption page. :-) — Realist² 21:14, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thank you. :-) RockandDiscoFanCZ (talk) 18:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the backstreet boys album's ( Black and blue ) sale 20 million albums worldwide http://limferdi.blogspot.com/2007/12/tribute-to-backstreet-boys.html please help me in List of best-selling albums worldwide , I Can't doing that . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.96.110.3 (talk) 18:57, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but personally I do not believe the source meets the communities requirements regarding reliable sources. If I were ever to take that article to WP:FL I can say with certainty that I would be required to remove it and the claim. If you can find more reliable sources for the claim please let me know and I will help you. You should try sources by BBC, CNN, The New York Times, Fox News (so long as it's not for politics), ABC News, MSNBC, Rolling Stone, All music. — Realist² 19:14, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I replied on my talk page.--Michig (talk) 13:45, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man, I finally added the sound file. Sorry about the delay, it was surprisingly hard to track down an mp3 copy. Anyway. Ceoil ^sláinte 16:18, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers Ceoil, will fix it up. Merci. — Realist² 16:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let me know when you are ready for a copy edit....but not this weekend! Ceoil ^sláinte 16:44, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, I'm ready when you are :-) It's been at GAN a while now, they have a huge backlog though (nothing chances). — Realist² 16:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Realist, Thanks for your comment today. Marskell is now inviting votes in Dylan FAR. Mick gold (talk) 21:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Realist²! Thank you very much for your support in my RfA, weak or strong, which passed yesterday. I hope not to let you and the others down and use the tools for the benefit of the project. Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 18:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was serious about my comment. I have many thousands of edits in Wikipedia, and much experience with the guidelines. You are not free to delete comments from discussion, as you did in List of best-selling albums worldwide. If you do this again, I will take you to arbitration. 24.130.12.229 (talk) 00:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm free to remove any comment from talk pages that breaches WP:SOAPBOX and WP:FORUM. Please have the guts to actually sign in, rather than use your IP to make threats. Since your updated comment actually suggests ways to improve the article there is no need for me to remove it this time. I would also remind you about WP:CIVIL Mr IP. Whenever you have the guts to sign in, like a grown up, I will happily communicate with you further. If you feel uncomfortable discussing this on wiki then please E-mail me. Cheers. — Realist² 00:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I made that edit by chance, while I was not signed in. I've been in Wikipedia for several years, and have 10,000s of edits. I understand Wikipedia guidelines very well indeed. I don't appreciate your tone that an editor doesn't have a right to an opinion, if they are not signed in, and the Wikimedia Foundation doesn't, either.

You have NO right to remove a new, legitimate topic from a discussion page. It may be that my views conflict with yours. Deleting mine, which were well-founded, and not an attack on any person, editor, or even political stance, and which could lead to improving the article isn't appropriate. 24.130.12.229 (talk) 00:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]