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- Robin Hood (album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. No indication of notability. 2 references in the article. One is a database listing (MusicBrainz). The other seems to be a fan-written analysis. See page 76: [1]. Written by someone called "BloodBoal", with some text from website movingmagemusic.com and the album booklet (primary source). Mika1h (talk) 13:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Driggu Florentino (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject does not meet WP:GNG, WP:SINGER, or WP:ACTOR. All the references are either the subjects own website, or self-published sources that are promotional in nature. Also appears to have been deleted in the past with the discussion here. The page creator deleted the PROD tag so I am bringing it to AfD. cyberdog958Talk 01:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. I strongly believe that the deletion of the biography is unnecessary, given that the article was created based on solid and reliable references.
The subject of the biography has sufficient relevance to be included in the encyclopedia, especially within the context of the underground synthpop movement in the Northeast, which reinforces the importance of its preservation.
The biography is well-founded, containing sources that support the facts and a structure that provides appropriate backing.
Deleting the article would result in the loss of valuable information about the subject and, consequently, about an important musical movement within the Brazilian underground scene. The article still has significant potential for expansion, deepening the understanding of the cultural and historical impact of the underground synthpop movement and the unique contribution of the subject.
Keeping this article is a way to preserve and disseminate knowledge about an important part of Brazilian music and culture from the north, which deserves recognition and documentation.
Therefore, removing the article would be a setback in documenting this movement, as the encyclopedia plays a crucial role in recording and preserving cultural diversity.
The biography not only contributes to understanding the underground movement but also highlights the subject's relevance within this musical scene. The Artist was recognized by the Museu da Pessoa as one of the most important people, both in activism and art, please do not remove this biography. https://museudapessoa.org/pessoa/rodrigo-barbosa-da-silva/ https://nonbinary.wiki/wiki/Driggu_Florentino Moniiquedecastro (talk) 05:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete little to no third party coverage.-KH-1 (talk) 09:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- The artist is part of the cataloging of a Prestigious Museum, the 'Museu da Pessoa'.
- https://viaf.org/viaf/6559165814922859860006/
- https://acervo.museudapessoa.org/pt/conteudo/pessoa/driggu-208910
- Hi, could you please take a look at these references I found? I believe they demonstrate how important the article is for cataloging visual artists. The information that was removed was correct and well-founded, so it would be great if you could reconsider that. Moniiquedecastro (talk) 22:09, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Searching, I found a reliable reference in La Vanguardian.
- https://www.lavanguardia.com/peliculas-series/personas/driggu-2884960
- I believe that is enough. Moniiquedecastro (talk) 22:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Disruptive, out-of-process draftification reverted, and AfD relisted. Any admin may close this at any time. Owen× ☎ 18:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This was subject to G11 and now that it has been cleaned up there's nothing left.—Alalch E. 22:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:ARTIST. WP:TOO SOON and lacks reliable sourcing. I am not finding any good sources or evidence of notability. (same reasons as 2022). --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – Clearly fails in WP:ARTIST. Svartner (talk) 23:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Ribbon (band) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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An unsourced article about a Japanese pop group. Not to disparage Ribbon, but pop groups are a dime a dozen in Japan. No indication that WP:NBAND is satisfied. Yes, their single Little Date was used as the theme song for a single season of Ranma 1/2, but that would not do it on its own. No indications they charted any singles or otherwise satisfy NBAND. Safiel (talk) 20:08, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Yes, they charted: 10 top-20 singles (including 4 in the top 10) and 4 top-10 albums (including 1 in the top 10) on the national Oricon charts, plus many other charting singles and albums. Several criteria in NBAND are met. Dekimasuよ! 03:03, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wanda Toscanini Horowitz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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She is not notable in her own right, the article only mentions her as daughter and wife of famous persons. Marbe166 (talk) 16:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
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- keep, yes, notability not inherited, but IMO the bio satisfies WP:GNG. --Altenmann >talk 19:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- How? Marbe166 (talk) 21:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Easily. --Altenmann >talk 17:37, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- That is not an answer to my question. I want you to explain how, in your view, the article meets the criteria. Marbe166 (talk) 17:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Multiple independent sources assert her notability by describing how she relieved Horowitz from the burdens of mundane life and how after his death she worked on preservation of his memory. --Altenmann >talk 18:05, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- That is not an answer to my question. I want you to explain how, in your view, the article meets the criteria. Marbe166 (talk) 17:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Easily. --Altenmann >talk 17:37, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- How? Marbe166 (talk) 21:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, should we then delete all articles whose subject became well known primarily because of their relation to others, for example Amy Carter? It's worth noting that deletion and merger with Vladimir Horowitz was previously discussed on the article's talk page and the strong consensus was keep.THD3 (talk) 10:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- The only one who expressed desire to keep in that discussion was you. And yes, persons who are only (note: only) known because of their relation to others do not meet the notability criteria and therefore do not warrant a Wikipedia article, such as the subject of this discussion. Marbe166 (talk) 11:18, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Strong keep: Subject meets WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. More sources are also available online, including in JSTOR and newspaper archives. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:27, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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- IPs have no voice in AfDs. --Altenmann >talk 21:33, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- According to WP:AFDDISCUSS, "Anyone acting in good faith can contribute to the discussion". Facts and evidence from anonymous and new users are welcome, but their opinions may be ignored by the closing administrator. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:07, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- IPs have no voice in AfDs. --Altenmann >talk 21:33, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: there is WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS for the subject. The article could use some editing to better organize the content. Nnev66 (talk) 03:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Baduizm World Tour (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Procedural nomination per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 27#Baduizm World Tour. C F A 💬 13:26, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge to Baduizm per WP:FAILN. Phoenix source is good, can't find anything else of that quality on the tour. Mach61 03:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Torbjørn Schei (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No sources cited in the article since its creation in 2016, fails WP:BIO and WP:SINGERWP:BANDMEMBER. Mika1h (talk) 19:44, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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- New York City Guitar School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is one of the best efforts I've seen at a Wikipedia article that passes the "eye test" most of us give articles. Formatted correctly, a bunch of references, looks legit! It was written by an employee (exact name of the Wikipedia article creator listed as employee) which doesn't inherently mean it's unacceptable for Wikipedia, but it is an undisclosed WP:COI and means the article was written as self-promotion. So I looked at the sources and none really checked out.
Source assessment table: prepared by User:Example
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1, 9, 11, 12. NYC Guitar school website | Self-published | ? | ✘ No | |
2. NY Daily News | Labelled advertisement | ✘ No | ||
3. Gamespot | Source makes no mention of this school | ✘ No | ||
4, 10. timeout.com | ? | ? | Schedule/directory listing with prices, promotional in nature, no meaningful coverage | ✘ No |
5. Madscience.org | ? | ? | 1-sentence passing mention on a business blog | ✘ No |
6. NEA | Coverage is limited to a 2-paragraph quote promoting the school | ✘ No | ||
7. Guitar Aficionado | Does not mention NYC Guitar School | ✘ No | ||
8. Guitar Nation | ? | NYC Guitar School mentioned in passing as the sponsor of an event | ✘ No | |
13. Pursue the Passion | ? | Blog article written by NYC Guitar School employee | ✘ No | |
14. Forbes contributor | ? | WP:FORBESCON | ✘ No | |
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So yeah. That's every source analyzed, none are independent, non-trivial coverage in a reliable source. So this article does not meet WP:NCORP. Here2rewrite (talk) 20:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete found nothing better than the (insufficient) sources in the article when conducting my BEFORE search. Mach61 17:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - fails NCORP. Really nothing but an advertorial. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 17:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above analysis; fails GNG. Bearian (talk) 02:36, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Paradise Lost (Inal Bilsel album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Declined A9. Even though the artist has no article, and notability appears to be lacking as well. CycloneYoris talk! 21:30, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment The author has a declared COI which indirectly relates to this subject as well, therefore this article should never have been published directly in the first place without going through AfC. Draftification for that reason could be an option. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:54, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - The musician seems to be a behind-the-scenes professional who has not been noticed by the reliable media and is only visible in typical directories and download sites. An article about him could possibly get started in the Draft system, but this album has received even less coverage and fails the crucial WP:NALBUM guideline. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:07, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your consideration and review. The draft article about the artist exists Draft:Inal Bilsel Nightfly2008 (talk) 06:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as there's no article to redirect to it to; the coverage that is there is mostly trivial; and the COI is rather telling that this person and their recordings really aren't that notable. Ss112 03:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comments and review. The notability guides state that at least one of the notability criteria be met. The article/artist does meet the following criteria: "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels" Nightfly2008 (talk) 06:41, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nezar Kadhem (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Mildly WP:PROMO biography (by a now-blocked sockmaster) of a businessman fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO. The sources are all WP:PRIMARYSOURCES, WP:INTERVIEWS, WP:TRADES publications and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of the subject in the context of coverage of his company. Nothing else comes up in a WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Eat App. Doha Dear (talk) 10:33, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Better Days (Robbie Seay Band album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Articles about albums, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NALBUMS. As usual, Wikipedia's approach to albums used to extend an automatic presumption of notability to any album that was recorded by a notable artist regardless of sourcing or the lack thereof, in the name of completionist directoryism -- but that's long since been deprecated, and an album now has to have a meaningful notability claim (chart success, notable music awards, a significant volume of coverage and analysis about it, etc.) and WP:GNG-worthy sourcing to support it.
But none of these three albums are making any notability claim above and beyond "this is an album that exists", two of the three are completely unreferenced, and the one that does have references doesn't have good ones: it's citing one review in an unreliable source, and one "Billboard chart history" that lists no actual chart positions and is present only to footnote a release date that it doesn't actually support rather than any charting claims.
As always, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with much more expertise in Christian music than I've got can find the right kind of sourcing to salvage them, but simply existing isn't "inherently" notable enough to exempt an album from having to pass GNG. Bearcat (talk) 14:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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- PimComedy Fashion Show (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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References are event listings and non-rs entries. Fails WP:SIGCOV. A before virtually nothing. scope_creepTalk 12:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- SHM-CD (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not notable enough to warrant its own article. References are primary or just mentions. - The9Man Talk 08:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge - agreed, merge content to Compact Disc. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Absolute (Aion album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Five articles about albums not shown to pass WP:NALBUM. Back in the day, Wikipedia's approach to album notability was to extend an automatic inclusion freebie to any album recorded by a notable artist, regardless of its sourcing or lack thereof, in the service of completionist directoryism -- but that's long since been kiboshed, and albums are now independently notable only if they can be shown to pass WP:GNG on reliable source coverage about the album. But four of these five articles are completely unreferenced, and one is referenced solely to a single unreliable source directory listing that isn't support for notability.
It also warrants note that these were all briefly redirected to the band a year and a half ago for lack of independent sourcing, but that was reverted within 24 hours with no actual explanation provided of what the problem with redirecting them was, and they've continued to stand as unreferenced articles ever since, without ever having a whit of GNG-worthy sourcing added to any of them. Bearcat (talk) 13:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment. I was the one who reverted some redirections, and I don't really recall why, but when I look into it now, I see that the editor who made the redirects was a problem editor who became indefinitely blocked. Geschichte (talk) 14:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Rottweiler Records (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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NCORP fail Graywalls (talk) 23:15, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep Fairly clearly meets the sense of an important label as given in the WP:MUSIC guideline, and the article has citations indicating the label gets regular coverage in music press. Chubbles (talk) 06:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I’d love to agree with you, because they seem really interesting, but… NCORP not NMUSIC is the right standard to judge them on, and everything I can see in the article is either passing coverage, or basic business process (the sale to new owners) coverage… but nothing giving any sort of extended coverage of the company itself. It’s all “band x signs to Rottweiler Records” and then a ton about band x, but nothing about the company. So weirdly they would count for the band’s notability, but not the company’s. Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Nosral Recordings (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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NCORP fail Potential merge target Rottweiler Records too appears to be NCORP fail. Graywalls (talk) 23:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete same issues as with Rottweiler Records, the sources all check out, I’ll accept the source as a reliable one, but there isn’t enough extended coverage of the company itself to pass NCORP
- Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. At worst, a merge to Rottweiler, which ought to be kept too, so ultimately this is a moot conversation, but it looks like this sublabel has enough of a roster and press coverage to pass muster on its own. I'm agnostic as to whether these label articles continue on as one or two separate articles, so long as the content is preserved. Chubbles (talk) 06:07, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Which three sources do you believe would satisfy NCORP for this article @Chubbles: ? Graywalls (talk) 22:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Grammy RS Concerts (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Dollar to a donut all the thai sources are pr flimflam. TheLongTone (talk) 13:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Tentative keep. Needs clean-up for tone issues, but I'm not seeing actual reason for deletion. Several of the sources are presenting their own original analysis. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Selva Erdener (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article uses zero independent sources with significant coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 15:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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Proceduralkeep: I'll try to find sources if I can, but for now I suggest aproceduralkeep since this is a very low-effort nomination for an opera singer whose name I can recognize. See: WP:NEXIST, WP:BEFORE TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 20:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- Here is one source, from Hıncal Uluc's column. Many more search hits exist, but one needs to sift through them to identify SIGCOV. In addition, the SNG about musicians is likely to be satisfied here, due to concerts and records from notable firms.TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 03:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @TheJoyfulTentmaker That's not a valid argument for a procedural close per WP:PCLOSE. If you think that there is WP:SIGCOV, then by all means provide evidence of it here. That is what an WP:AFD discussion is for. Better yet, take time to improve the article. You may vote a straight keep based on policy but is there is no procedural argument to be made here.4meter4 (talk) 04:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 22:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)- Keep Google throws up plenty of sources, over a number of years, showing sustained coverage, but even the first citation in the article itself would have been more or less sufficient, giving evidence of an extended European Tour, satisfying WP:NMUSIC on that alone.
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- Apocalypse: From Us (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NALBUM. Redirect was reverted DonaldD23 talk to me 14:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Dreamcatcher (group): found no additional coverage. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think this will be better redirect to Dreamcatcher_discography#Extended_plays. Agree? RangersRus (talk) 21:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: as it has enough sources in Korean articles be it in Naver, Daum, or Nate. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 13:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Can you provide a link to these articles so they can be assessed? DonaldD23 talk to me 19:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for my super late response as I either didn't see your reply in my notices or I overlooked it. Anyways, here's the search results of articles in Naver (sorted from old to new) about the EP. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 11:54, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Can you provide a link to these articles so they can be assessed? DonaldD23 talk to me 19:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Dreamcatcher_discography#Extended_plays. Poor sources on the page with no significant coverage. RangersRus (talk) 21:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- As the person who revert the initial deletion/redirect, I should probably comment as well (especially since the lack of discussion was the reason for my revert). I'm not familiar with how these discussions usually go, but going off the list provided in WP:NALBUM, I'd say it passes on at least the second of the criteria, since the album has appeared on the Korean "Circle Album Chart" recording a highest position of #7. The article also has several references which would allow it to pass the first criteria, but there's also references in there which I would not consider reliable or independent (KTown4u for example is an online store, not a reliable news outlet). Whether this is enough too keep the article, I leave for other editors to decide.DragonFury (talk) 16:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete as per nom.Keep as per DragonFury. The article needs fixing though. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:34, 24 September 2024 (UTC)- Comment - I looked into the Circle Chart based on DragonFury's comment, but I wasn't able to find the #7 placement in the Album category. However, under the Global k-Pop chart, the track "Bonvoyage" from the the Apocalypse:From Us album reached 179th in the top charts for about a week: [2] I don't think this is quite enough to avoid deletion, however. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 05:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @MetropolitanIC The charting #7 is supported by this located inside Citation #8 in Dreamcatcher discography. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the pointer, I appreciate it.
- I'll be voting keep per this ranking. MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 08:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @MetropolitanIC The charting #7 is supported by this located inside Citation #8 in Dreamcatcher discography. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Since being relisted, additional sources have been located, and new !votes were made to keep the article. (non-admin closure) Rjjiii (talk) 04:13, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Siue Moffat (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:BLP of a cookbook author and filmmaker, not reliably sourced as having a strong claim to passing notability criteria for either occupation. As always, people are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show evidence of WP:GNG-worthy coverage about them in media independent of themselves -- but the only notability claim on offer here is that her work exists, and the article is referenced to one (deadlinked but recoverable) short blurb that isn't enough to get her over GNG all by itself if it's all she's got for GNG-worthy coverage, and one primary source that isn't support for notability at all.
The article, further, has been tagged for needing more sources since 2011 without ever having better sources added, and a WP:BEFORE search came up dry as all I found in ProQuest was the blurb and a small handful of glancing namechecks of her existence in coverage of events.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have more and better referencing than this. Bearcat (talk) 18:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: I don't see any book reviews, or much of anything in sources otherwise. Nothing in news or a general Gsearch. Oaktree b (talk) 22:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I can see three reviews for "Lickin' the Beaters 2: Vegan Chocolate and Candy" via Proquest, but not much else. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 07:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- At the very least, reviews exist for Lickin' the Beaters 2 from Library Journal [3] and Vegetarian Journal [4], and there are two shorter reviews for the two Lickin' the Beaters cookbooks from Broken Pencil magazine [5][6]. Broken Pencil also has a good number of reviews on her zines, e.g., one for The Day I Stopped Being Punk [7]. There's also an interview with her in Joe Biel's Beyond the Music: How Punks are Saving the World with DIY Ethics, Skills, & Values (Microcosm Publishing) on pages 150–152. With more research, I think we could probably find more reviews of her works that would warrant inclusion of this article (per WP:NAUTHOR). Best, Bridget (talk) 15:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 22:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)- Yes a lot of reviews/mentions are before the internet existed as we know it. Broken Pencil reviewed all the zines, even some not listed on the wiki page. I've just found a Fascinating Folks from Broken Pencil (hopefully I'm doing this correctly, first time in one of these discussions... Maulydaft (talk) 13:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- I "vote" Not to Delete. To the article I added an example of the HeartaCk column (magazine defunct), an inclusion of Fascinating Folks in Broken Pencil, an interview with Boardwalk Chocolates with T.O.F.U Magazine. Bitch Magazine also highlighted Fascinating Folks in an article but Bitch is also defunct. Maulydaft (talk) 19:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - here's another review. Nfitz (talk) 01:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 05:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)- Keep: Found and added another radio interview on CFBU, Animal Voices, and website; Bitch Magazine article; others have found numerous other reviews of writings that weren't even on the list previously. Maulydaft (talk) 16:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep: Several zines have been reviewed, though many are reviewed in Broken Pencil, with which Moffat seems to have been involved. Many of the reviews are quite short, as well. However, I believe we have enough to pass WP:NAUTHOR. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 17:15, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, author has never had any direct connect with Broken Pencil - only been reviewed. Maulydaft (talk) 15:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The author's work is cited and reviewed in punk culture magazine, the Toronto Star, and vegan food sources. Jaireeodell (talk) 12:59, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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