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Please read before posting here for the first time Please sign your messages with four tildes, like ~~~~. You can also click the button above the edit box. I will generally reply to all posts on your talkpage, so signing them helps. You may want to read the talk page guidelines before leaving a message. Some things every Wikipedia editor should remember... We are editors, not Bloggers. No matter how forum-like some talk pages and Wikipedia discussions are, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia – not a social network. We should not feed the trolls. The vast majority of vandals are here at best to cause minor graffiti and at worst to disrupt the encyclopedia – not your day. It is better to allow the community to deal with a user than stalking them seeking revenge. We are people not usernames. When you are typing messages, you are typing to a person. If you would not say something to a person sitting in the room with you, don't send it to another user. If the issue personal or private, please e-mail me. I value time everyone's time, both yours and mine. If you are at this page to yell at me for reverting your vandalism, your post will probably be removed without further discussion, so please don't waste my time or yours. Please be civil. If you're here to personally attack me or violate other policy in your message, your post will be removed without further discussion. I will try to answer reasonable questions and comments, however, I'm not really interested in arguing with you on points of fact or philosophy. I don't usually run to Mommy and/or Daddy on every little issue, but if necessary, I will report abusive editors to WP:ANI or WP:LONG. My interests vary from day-to-day, so my edits may cross a large number of interest areas. If I edit a topic you are passionate about and you came here angry about my edit, take a deep breath. I believe that Wikipedia should be the place to go to for information, but vandals, trolls, and the uninformed make it fall short of that goal, so I try not to be one. If your concern/comment/plaudit is none of the above, feel free to post away! Please post new messages at the bottom and remember that stating your message clearly, rationally, and precisely on my talk page helps me to respond quickly. Note that I do delete messages from this page once I have read them since I can always review old threads in the history. Finished reading? Click here to quickly leave a new message. Thanks to NASCAR Fan24, Gonzo fan2007 and Jamesontai for creating the original version of this template. This is Absolon's talk page, where you can send him messages and comments. Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help. Assume good faith Be polite and avoid personal attacks Be welcoming to newcomers Seek dispute resolution if needed

Hi Absolon: I noticed you undid the revision to the Savannah State University edit I imposed for the end date. I am not interested in getting into a lame edit war, but just so you know, I contacted the school and spoke with a representative who verified that the seal has not been discontinued. She went further to note that the website non-usage of the seal does not constitute discontinued use. The seal is embossed on college diplomas(degrees) awarded by the institution, college transcripts, and is used during official ceremonies and events. If you choose to keep the end date under the seal simply because it is no longer used on the website, that is incorrect. Colleges and Universities tend to use logos as well as their official seals in various ways. I've yet to see a traditional university emboss a logo on a transcript or a degree. If you have verified that savannah state embosses logos on their degrees now instead of the official seal, then I am mistaken. However, I seriously doubt that. Kind Regards liberallefty79

The image that you continue to add to the 2012 Savannah State Tigers football team page cannot be used on season articles. Using it violates the non free image usage. That logo can only be used on main athletic pages and no season articles. Furthermore, saying that the free image that I have put on the page has been discontinued is completly wrong. It is no longer used as the helmet decal, but its the exact same SSU that the tiger is on top of. So please stop continuing to readd a longer that cannont be used and please stop removing a free image that can be used. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 12:12, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are incorrect. That image is no longer the athletic logo. The current logo includes the tiger image on the top. Absolon S. Kent (talk) 16:35, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The SSU logo that is a free image is the EXACT SAME LOGO!! as the new one just without the tiger. I didn't say that the SSU logo is the current logo but it is part of the current logo and since its just letters it is a free image and can be used. Look at most season artilcles, the images are mostly just script logos because they are free and can be used. This image can be used on this page and should be used. It makes the page look better and IS STILL IN THE CURRENT LOGO!! so to say its been discontinued is false.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 23:05, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with your opinion on the subject. Absolon S. Kent (talk) 00:42, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's not my opinion, ITS A FACT!!! Just look at it!!!! Its the EXACT SAME LOGO!! The fact that you continue to remove it is bordering on being vandalism. It CAN be use and its a FREE image that SHOULD be used. You do not own that page and the fact that you keep removing a logo THAT IS a version of the current logo just without the tiger is INSANE!! LEAVE IT!! Plus, to say that image was discontinued is stupid! Its not only part of the new logo, but almost EVERY SCHOOL IN THE NATION has multiple versions of logos. Go ahead, look up any other schools logo at any other school in the nation, they all have multiple versions logos, including script logo which THIS LOGO IS!!Bsuorangecrush (talk) 05:15, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You obviously ignored my Talk Page note that "It's...totally...not...that...serious...". You are more than welcome to report my edits to an administrator if you feel I am in violation of some policy. If you are unsure of how to do this just leave a note below and can give you the instructions. In the mean time, I removed the image with the tiger until I can find the time to research your earlier assertion that the current official logo cannot be used on team season pages and I removed your image because it is no longer used by the university because of the copyright status. Absolon S. Kent (talk) 13:33, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I ignored your talk page note, thats like reading the iTunes agreement, you just click ok and ignore it. Your continued argument that it has been discontinued is INSANE!! Question:Is the SSU logo by its self the exact same logo that the tiger is on? There are only 2 answers to that: 1)No, and thus you are blind and I suggest you seem medical help right away or 2)Yes, its the same logo with out the tiger. If 2) is the answer then IT HAS NOT BEEN DISCONTINUED BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING RIGHT AT IT!!! Plus, ITS A SCRIPT LOGO!! Do you know how many schools have a free public domain script logo and a tradmarked logo? North Carolina has their NC logo, which is free because its just letters, and their trademarked logo that has the ram head over the NC. Duke has their D logo, which is free because its just a letter, and the D with the blue devil in the middle that is trademarked. Oregon State has an OS logo, which is free because its just letters, and their trademarked logo with the beaver head. Just because they have one logo does not make the other discontinued. SCHOOLS CAN HAVE MULTIPLE LOGOS!! FREE AND TRADEMARKED!!! The SSU logo that is free and SHOULD be used on this page and if you continue to say that it has been discontinued then you just flat are blind because you can't see it in the new logo. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 16:12, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In terms of legal usage of the logo the answer to your question is "No." The logo you are posting is not a registered trademark of the university, thus the use was discontinued. To use it on articles after it was discontinued is inaccurate information. I will continue to remove it until you are able to show me an established Wikipedia policy that authorizes the use inaccurate images in an article for decoration purposes.

On a separate note: Your continued personal attacks and name calling in your edit summaries and on this page in my opinion are uncivil and are in direct violation of Wikipedia's policy. I will not engage in any further discussion with you regarding this article or any other issue if you cannot elevate your tone to one of respect due to a fellow editor. We can disagree, but you should learn to do so civilly. 20:13, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

You can't trademark letters! It's free to use because its just letters! And how about addressing my question? Do you aknowledge that it is the exact same SSU that the tiger is on? Because if it is then it can be used because it IS THE EXACT SAME LOGO and has not been discontinued because we are LOOKING RIGHT AT IT!!! What about that do you not understand? Bsuorangecrush (talk) 20:48, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Absolon! As a Steward I'm involved in the upcoming unification of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:Single User Login finalisation announcement). By looking at your account, I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on Special:MergeAccount and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 09:59, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]