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Recently, a few users have been reverting my edits, which changed "Oh, s***" to "Oh, shit!" and "F***ING S***!" to "FUCKING SHIT!"

Please see Wikipedia:Profanity- specifically, this line:

If you are including some famous person's exact quote, don't censor -- tell us what that person actually said, as long as the quote itself is relevant to the article. There's no point in ever turning an instance of "fuck" into "f***" or "the f word"; if you wish to do that you should paraphrase rather than quote.

While the person in question is not "famous", the profanity should not be censored- either it should be left unedited, as I think should be done with it, or it should be removed altogether. ral315 20:21, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

Jim Hess may have said those words on air.--E2e3v6 (talk) 21:29, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Someone added a bit about how one episode was accidentally telecast on Nickelodeon. I find this hard to believe, considering that USA and GSN, the two most recent owners of PYL reruns, have no relation with Viacom, the owner of Nickelodeon. I also was unable to find any information about this event on a Google search. My guess is that a local cable company made a mistake; because as said above, I doubt Nickelodeon would even have a copy of the original series, being as no one in the Viacom family has rights to it. Unless someone can give me proof to the contrary, I am removing this portion of the article. ral315 19:42, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Reply: As far as I know, someone was wrong on the statement of PYL being on Nick. I have been a part of a lot of game show message boards and discussions, and as far as I know from reading and talking about everything PYL, it has NEVER been on any station other than CBS, USA, and GSN.PYLrulz 17:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC) (forgot to sign this)[reply]

The show was also syndicated for a short time in 1986-87, in reruns, to test the market for new episodes in syndication. It didn't happen.

This is an antiquated game show which nobody watches. DELETE IMMEDIATLY! --137.164.143.111 20:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we should make decisions about what to delete based on the subject's supposed popularity. Gus 23:08, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Besides, one of the big things that Wikipedia looks for in an article is for it to be well-known, not necessarily popular. (If it were solely based on popularity, the terrorist attacks on 2001-09-11 probably wouldn't be on this site.) Your comment to delete it was uncalled for, and if it were unpopular, there wouldn't be two download sites as external links (albeit the fact that both downloads are unofficial versions). I'm checking your user page, 137.614.143.111, and if no one has hissed at you yet, I'll be surprised. (I'm not trying to sponsor flaming though--my head would be had if I did.) FranklinCougar89 03:13, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know its not usually good to reply to trolls, but...

Nobody watches?!? Ok, I guess thats the reason why it was one of the mainstays on USA for 8 years, and would of most defently been longer if not for USA ditching game shows due to GSN. If that was a requirement (that if no one watches a show, or cares for it in general, it isnt worthy of wikipedia), then there would be a heck of a lot less entries. You might not like it, but plenty of people remember, and like the show. PYLrulz 17:58, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know this idea is crazy, but how would a Saturday morning cartoon starring the Whammy have sounded back in the day? How does it sound now? 71.111.209.99 20:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would personally say that they would sound different. Two different people have had the voice of the Whammy (in the American version). One person, which I recall being the higher-pitched of the two, was the Whammy voice in the original PYL run, the other person did the Whammy voice in GSN's revival (which is in full Whammy!: The All-New Press Your Luck but often shortened to Whammy! TANPYL or even to Whammy! or TANPYL. A convention already exists in the game show community to abbreviate just "Press Your Luck" to PYL, the acronym to which goes back to 1985 at the latest.).

If you are asking an opinion on how well a Saturday morning Whammy cartoon did or would have done (as opposed to the Whammy's voice), I cannot answer that because it is just that--an opinion. If you would like to see a Saturday morning Whammy cartoon in real life, my best suggestion for starters is pop a question to either CBS (the route which I would go) or FremantleMedia (they did the GSN revival, but they may have in turn asked CBS about it first). Very few people in the TV business like suggestions from third parties, however.

Thanks, FranklinCougar89 03:13, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I posted something concerning a VERY rare instance that happened on the show from time to time: the theme "ending" during the credit roll, and a remixed version playing after the original theme ended. Although I probably know what my answer will be, I'll try anyway: Does anyone have any idea where I could possibly find a file of this remix, either being used on the show or a plain file of the remix itself (or both if found)?

I believe that the PYL Whammy was voiced by creator Bill Carruthers. He's dead now. Since they did create a mini-cartoon for the USA syndicated version, it might have been more popular in 1987. 71.111.215.224 21:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, what do you know? It's Bill Kopp. 71.111.232.40 21:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind about the "remix". Apparently when this happened, they reused the opening theme, only somewhere in the middle, until the show faded. I added the info in and also gave a link to where one could find both themes.

This shatters the limits of encyclopedia-worthiness, but because the kids love them some Whammies, I've moved it here.

• During Press Your Luck's first year or so in reruns on USA, an episode would occasionally run short of its allotted time. To make up the difference, a short animated film was made and shown after the credits, but before the logo of the show's original syndicator (Republic Pictures). A transcript of this brief cartoon follows:

(The setting is a corporate boardroom full of Whammies seated around a meeting table. One of them, the Chief Whammy, is on the phone.)

Chief Whammy: That's seven cars, four jet-skis, and a Flokati rug—you figure out where to put 'em!

(He hangs up.)

Whammies: (in unison) Morning, Chief!

Chief Whammy: Did you hear that? I'm having this meeting today because we have a very serious problem. We've been taking too much money and prizes from these poor contestants!

(Other Whammies groan.)'

Chief Whammy: No, no, no! I'm getting nothing but complaints! Our bank accounts are stuffed, and our warehouses are full of prizes! Any suggestions?

Whammies: (in unison) BIGGER WAREHOUSES!

Chief Whammy: You guys are goin' crazy! Takin' all that money! Runnin' around with those big prizes! Singin'! Dancin'! Makin' fun of everybody! And I hate to say it—oh, do I—but some of you boys are gonna have to go!

Whammies: (in unison) Oh, no! Not that!

Chief Whammy: Wait a minute, wait a minute—I mean, go on vacation!

Whammies: (in unison) VACATION? YIPEE!

Chief Whammy: All right, all right. Half you guys pack your bags. The rest of us will keep taking the big bucks. Oh, by the way. Where do you guys wanna go?

Whammies: Fort Knox! Las Vegas! Monaco! Let's get outta here!

The article currently states that the occasional staggering of the changes of the slides in the game board -- where the slides in the odd-numbered squares change at a different time from the slides in the even-numbered squares -- was a "malfunction". It was my impression that this was actually a feature of the board, and that it was deliberately done when contestants had particularly high scores, to make it more difficult for the contestant to pick out a low-Whammy board configuration to stop the board on. And in watching a few episodes, it does appear that the staggering begins after a player has taken five or six spins without a Whammy, and then suddenly goes back to normal (all squares changing at once) when the player Whammies or passes. Does anyone have more concrete information on this? Kickaha Ota 17:05, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, no. The board is a very complex and mechanical beast, and the technical fans are nowhere near fully understanding it's operation. As unpredictable as the out-of-sync spins were, it's hard to pin down how they occurred. There are a few things which lead me to believe that the OOS spins were not intentional - for one, during the Larson game, the board only went OOS once Michael had reached $52,351 - far more than five or six spins. Had it been intentional, I would imagine they would have took the board OOS far sooner. I have also seen instances where, during a single spin, the board would shuffle the odds, then the evens, and then begin shuffling OOS. Also, the board did indeed malfunction even if the OOS spins wouldn't be considered as such - there were several instances where either squares 1, 7, 15, or squares 2, 8, 16 would all stick during a board shuffle - when this happened, it's been noticed that the values in the stuck squares were more often than not the same exact values (see here for more information (including screenshots taken from mid-shuffle). However, it should be noted that on Whammy!, the board does indeed go OOS in round 3 during later episodes, and this is indeed intentional (and on Whammy! there aren't two chains, but three). LocalH 21:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will attest to that. As LocalH said, if that was the case (OOS on high money counts), this would of happened the entire time of when Larson was taking his spins. I had also seen instances every once in a while where it would go OOS even when someone took their first few spins.PYLrulz 22:10, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both very much for the information. Sounds like I was mixing up PYL and Whammy in my memories. Kickaha Ota 17:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your welcome :). Yeah, it was Whammy that had the board go OOS during the 2nd round PYLrulz 11:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think GSN will ever air the 1983 or the 1986 shows? I don't think so, not that GSN only cares about reality shows.

Nextbarker 19:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker[reply]

This page is really more for discussion about stuff in the article, not whether certain episodes will air on a station. PYLrulz 13:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Does anyone notice when people say "NO WHAMMIES!", they usually get Whammies? WizardDuck 17:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not as much as when someone said that they will take their spin "One more time". Whammies Were Here (PYLrulz) 11:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The 1980 Press Your Luck pilot was a COMPLETELY different show and had absolutely nothing to do with this series. Leave the pilot information in the beginning alone. The Green Lantern 01:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this section should be in the article. Isn't it illegal to make those games? Correct me if I'm wrong. FamicomJL 03:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering the same thing. There could be copyright problems with the downloads, especially since they are probably creating competition for the DVD game on the market. Steven D. 05:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot 04:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

" Another very rare malfunction occurred when one of the slides did not fade out, but the other slides were shuffling normally, and you could see two slides blend together. This was seen in the intro sequence to Episode #629 in 1986, when, in square #14, the navy blue $2500 loaded up late and was seen blending in with MOVE ONE SPACE and the Whammy. "

The link to the YouTube.com video has been removed per copyright claim, and should be removed as a source due to un-verifiable info.

71.109.218.57 05:17, 8 November 2007 (UTC)Collin[reply]

Throughout the article, the acronym PYL (commonly used by fans) is used. I feel this is non-encyclopedic and should be reverted...any objections? Modor (talk) 17:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Modor[reply]

Another user messaged me on my talk page about editing down the Notable Contestants selection. The reason for Jim Hess's removal is that he is really only notable to game show fans. He is not of the same level of notoriety as Michael Larsen or other people who have gone on to have careers in entertainment, such as Jenny Jones or Michael Horton.

I offer the same argument for Jack Campion, Maggie Brown and Karen Martin. These three contestants have faded into obscurity for the general populace. Although they remain "fan favorites," are they really "notable?" Who (other than game show fans) would possibly them?

Sottolacqua (talk) 17:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not just game shows, but there are lots of stuff, sports, general life, etc. where they are fan favorites, and yet, not really notable. The reason Campion, Brown, Martin, and Hess I would say should go on the list is that, in the grand scheme of things, they are real notable in Press Your Luck history. Do you really think Myke Horton is real notable outside of American Gladiators?!? I can probably guarentee you 99% wouldnt know who Randy West is, even if you told them what he has done post-PYL appearence. Steve Bryant was nothing more than a small part of the Houston Oilers, rather than some #1 Receiver, or such.

There are a few that had been on the list, I can understand, but there are a few others where I believe it can be notable enough. I only support them on the list for PYL purposes. Whammies Were Here 19:18, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point with the notability of Campion, Brown, Martin, and Hess among other contestants. I'd say just leave 'em in. Sottolacqua (talk) 18:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the information in this section is fancruft. I propose most all of it (especially people who have no other connection to anything, such as Maggie Brown and Karen Martin) be removed. Modor (talk) 00:46, 4 March 2009 (UTC)Modor[reply]

I would also suggest removing the paragraph about the "ding" used on the show. This information is not particularly meaningful.

Also, the word "infamously" when used in the Pick-A-Corner description suggests that this moment, among all others, would be notable to casual viewers of the show and not just game show fans.

Nicknames given "by fans" such as the line about spin bouncing/"see-saw battles" should also be removed. Sottolacqua (talk) 18:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To go over one by one...

1- The ding, its about something thats a part of the show. I could see an argument against leaving the info on the page, but I would rather hear from others on their opinion. I could see either side of the argument.

2- The Infamous Pick-A-Corner choice is infamous in Press Your Luck history. As I had said with the contestants, there are certain things that might be infamous amongst certain areas, but might not be outside the subject/area/etc. In PYL history though, it is infamous, and believe it should stay as such.

3- Nicknames by fans for certain things on the show should also stay. The information about that given will give the reader an understanding of certain things on the show, and when described elsewhere, the reader knows what is being talked about. The spin bouncing and such, for example, is not only known amongst PYL fans, but also many gameshow fans who might not be as much into PYL. Whammies Were Here 10:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1-The Ding: It's a bell sound effect. The percentage of other game show articles describing minutia like this is very very low. It really adds nothing to the description of the mechanics of the game.

2-Pick a Corner: Infamous among whom? I'm not saying remove the paragraph entirely, just don't call it "infamous" because the infamy only lives on among game show fans--not the average person browsing Wikipedia.

3-Nicknames: The description in the spin bouncing paragraph already gives information to the reader about the act. Why are the fan nicknames necessary? When described elsewhere, why not maintain consistency and call it "spin bouncing?"

The point I'm making is that not everyone who visits this article is a PYL or even a game show fan--the less often "fan speak" is used the less this article will appear like a fan page. Sottolacqua (talk) 13:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I had said, if the ding description were to be taken out, I can understand it, but some of the other stuff, its either infamous to the show (doesn't necessarily have to be infamous to every single person, in my opinion, just at least a part of the show), and the nicknames (as long as it doesn't go overblown) I believe can be acceptable. Whammies Were Here 10:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I took out the description of the bell effect.

I would say qualifying what Larsen did is infamous; the choice for Pick a Corner – not so much. While it is true that one of the choices was always illogical, suggesting that particular aspect of the show, above anything else, is what's "infamous" is not entirely accurate. The Whammy is "infamous"...this is not.

I took out the nicknames, too. Fan nicknames are not relevant to describing the incident. Sottolacqua (talk) 13:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arthurvasey (talk) 21:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A version of this was made by Reg Grundy Productions for HTV West - it hadn't been heard of prior to this - auditionees had to telephone a London number, which turned out to be the London offices of Reg Grundy Productions.

Prospective contestants had to make their own way to and from Bristol - the producer and researchers at the time didn't even know who was going to present it.

They used the same studio as a kids' TV show called "Ask Oddie" for the auditions - the tell-tale signs were everywhere.

They started off by playing a full edition of the Australian version of the show - they also had contestants answering questions - most of which were about Australia! The contestants then swapped forms and were given somebody else's to mark.

How do I know? I was one of those contestants.

I didn't make it on to the show - but the producer rang me and told me that Paul Coia would be presenting it - I hadn't made it on to the show - I was invited to be an audience member - but declined, as it was a bit far to go.

When Peter said that the game wasn't complete in the appointed time for the first time, He means the only time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.228.56.16 (talk) 19:53, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Does it matter if Studio 33 or 41 is mentioned or what? I mean, it should be mentioned. --E2e3v6 (talk) 21:23, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a source for the specific studio location at Television City where taping took place, add it. Sottolacqua (talk) 21:34, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think the 2nd edition of The Encyclopedia of TV Game Shows from 1995 might have your source (I don't know for sure). But I do know that Studio 41 is where parts of The Young and The Restless are shown without the Tattletales bleachers and Studio 33, as we all know is The Price is Right's home base, which, by the way, is going in to its 40th year (Drew Carey's 5th) on CBS in a couple months. Thank you.--E2e3v6 (talk) 13:07, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

or does http://www.cbstelevisioncity.com/shows# work as a source as well or what? --E2e3v6 (talk) 22:25, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I was watching the show for many years now. I know for a fact that Press Your Luck was in Studio 33 at the start and in early 1984, It alternated between Studio 33 and Studio 41 across the hall. In February 1985, Studio 41 became their permanent home. Can I put that in now that there is a sorce or what?--E2e3v6 (talk) 22:52, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

CBSTelevisionCity.com clearly states that Press Your Luck taped in Studio 43 for most of its run; why is Studio 41 listed as the studio of record? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyshaun1 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 7 August 2011

Go to the "Shows" page of the Television City website and click 1984. Episodes were taped in studio 41 in April 1984. Sottolacqua (talk) 13:03, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

However, 43 should have been listed with 41 either not mentioned at all or noted as having taped there for only one month. Sottolacqua (talk) 13:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

43 should have been marked as 41. I agree. But what baffles me is why the same bleachers from Tattletales are in the audience.--E2e3v6 (talk) 21:27, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose of this talk page is not to investigate why pieces of one set end up in another studio. Take that discussion to a fan message board or, if this is somehow something other than Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, the talk page of CBS Television City. Sottolacqua (talk) 21:41, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Basically the contestants listed below Michael Larson are famous people. That means I should not put in Karen Martin, Jack Champion, Maggie Brown, Cathy Singer or anybody else associated with Press Your Luck. I have discovered Steve Bryant, The Houston Oilers football player. Wasn't he the one who yelled "No Whammieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!" during his spins or what? If the answer is yes, can I put him in, or has that happened already? Peace!--E2e3v6 (talk) 20:32, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

With the exception of Bryant, these are not people who have gone on/had previously met criteria that would be considered notable; they are merely contestants. Contestants who have done nothing other than appear on other game shows should not be included. Sottolacqua (talk) 20:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can I put in Paige Green, the LA Raiders cheerleader? Knowing that very late in the run, her "N" in spins fell out once? I think she was also on "Squares" in '98 or '99 and married John Elway a year and 11 months ago. Is it all right to mention her? --E2e3v6 (talk) 21:00, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No. A cheeerleader for a professional sports team is not a notable person compared to the other people mentioned in the article. If you can't link the person to a biographical article already on Wikipedia, don't add them. Sottolacqua (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All right. How about Cameron Crayroft, the Trident Gum spokesman, will that work?--E2e3v6 (talk) 00:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No and no. Sottolacqua (talk) 01:10, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All right. I give up. You mean to say that when I added Randy West last week, that was pretty much the last piece of the puzzle, and not the kind you see on Wheel of Fortune or Concentration or Classic Concentration?--E2e3v6 (talk) 01:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just discovered Body Break spokesperson Hal Johnson was on the show, twice. But I can't put him in unless there is an article about him on the number one website in the world Wikipedia. Right, chief?--E2e3v6 (talk) 21:33, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, we must find a third-party reliable source (i.e. newspaper or magazine) to verify the claim. Make sense? Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:35, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jenny Jones was also a standup comic. You don't need a source for that, I don't think. Jones is a comic. Trust me.--E2e3v6 (talk) 11:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not notable. Her show is all that is notable. WikiLubber (talk) 13:38, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Within the last few hours, i have added pop culture icons Liberace, Willie Nelson and Tina Turner with them being deleted every time. There is a source for this stuff: http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/harrow/953/whammies.htm. Yours truly does not fool around on wikipedia.--E2e3v6 (talk) 01:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Enough with this. That link is not an acceptable source, and stating "then-current and classic pop culture icons" is more than sufficient for the purposes of a Wikipedia article. Sottolacqua (talk) 01:14, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Chief, but I do remember Peter saying something about Tammy Whammette, Whammy's girlfriend. Can she be mentioned?--E2e3v6 (talk) 21:16, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No. Too trivial. WikiLubber (talk) 22:05, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the "copy edit" tag from the article for the time being because the article is under very active development and the other tags indicate that this is desirable. Once the content is stabilized, please do add a new copy edit tag if you wish. --Stfg (talk) 23:14, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that the current animated logo be replaced with a static logo, because it's atypical for articles, and it's really distracting. :) Trivialist (talk) 13:10, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll freeze it. Give me a second or two...  MegastarLV  (talk)

There.  MegastarLV  (talk)

For people who may not be familiar with the show, wouldn't it be a good idea to include an image of the Big Board. I have attempted twice to put an image in the article, and both times the image was deleted.

--JoBrLa (talk) 13:57, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone and added it in a more appropriate section than the infobox. Cheers. 65.33.107.187 (talk) 00:38, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]