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The Sopranos characters

These were marked as replaceable non-free use and disputed; the reviewing admin referred them to WP:FFD. HBO released three videos with footage of these characters under a free license earlier this year (1, 2, 3), and a freely licensed image of each character exists in c:Category:The Sopranos. Dispute rationales are at File talk:Tony Soprano 2.jpg, File talk:Adriana La Cerva.jpg, and File talk:Christopher Moltisanti.jpg.

Keep - This proposal is a misguided application of the NFCC criteria.

NFCC #1 mandates that non-free images can only be replaced if a free equivalent serves the same encyclopedic purpose. The freely licensed images pulled from HBO’s YouTube releases this year are not equivalent in quality or context. They were taken at random points in the videos, often showing the characters in poor lighting, unflattering poses, or lacking the expressiveness that accurately represents them. The current non-free images, by contrast, depict the characters in ways that are instantly recognizable and aligned with their portrayal in the show, providing a comprehensive visual understanding of their roles.

The infobox image is the primary visual representation for each character, making it crucial that it reflects the character’s essence and role in the series. NFCC #8 states that non-free images should be used if their presence significantly enhances understanding, and their removal would be detrimental. The proposed replacements are low-quality and contextually lacking. As one commenter pointed out, the replacement image for Adriana La Cerva is too dark and fails to show any details of her unique portrayal, body language, or costume. The existing non-free image, on the other hand, captures these elements effectively, helping the reader understand who the character is.

My non-free images adhere to the “minimal use” requirement by being placed only in the infoboxes of their respective articles—one per character. This placement is justified, as removing them would strip away the most essential visual identifier of the character, diminishing the article’s completeness. The proposed free alternatives, being of inferior quality and context, do not meet the standard of equivalent value and would lead to a reduction in the articles’ overall visual coherence.

The non-free images currently used come directly from professionally produced episodes of The Sopranos, reflecting the show’s artistic choices and intended portrayal. The replacements are YouTube screenshots that were taken from HBO’s recent promotional content. While they may be freely licensed, they lack the same level of clarity and framing, which is vital for an infobox image. Simply being “from The Sopranos” is not enough—NFCC #10c emphasizes that non-free content should accurately reflect the quality and intent of the original production.

The proposer of this deletion hasn’t acted impartially. The replaceable template was used to link directly to their own uploads as the preferred replacements. He's since removed it, but this demonstrates a clear attempt to push their own contributions rather than objectively assessing the quality of existing content. By systematically targeting the images I’ve uploaded and suggesting only their own files as replacements, the proposer is exhibiting content ownership behavior. This raises concerns about bias and a lack of neutrality in their actions.

It’s also worth noting that these non-free images have been in place for years without issue. They’ve been serving the purpose of visually representing the characters effectively and in accordance with policy. If these images have been compliant and useful for this long, it’s unclear why they are suddenly being replaced by inferior alternatives. The sudden push to remove and replace these longstanding images appears more motivated by the proposer’s desire to have their own uploads displayed than by a genuine concern for policy adherence.

One commenter has already pointed out that the proposed replacement for Adriana La Cerva is not suitable due to poor lighting and lack of character detail. They also conceded that the Tony Soprano replacement might be acceptable, but this illustrates that each case needs to be evaluated individually and in context. Blanket deletion proposals like this one fail to account for the nuances in each article and undermine the principle of consensus-based editing.

The proposed replacements do not meet the standards set forth by NFCC and degrade the quality of the articles. This isn’t about replacing non-free content with free content whenever possible; it’s about ensuring that any content used serves the best interest of the encyclopedia. The current images do exactly that by providing readers with a visual representation that aligns with the character’s portrayal in the series. Deleting these images in favor of the lower-quality alternatives suggested here would be a disservice to the reader and a step backwards in terms of article quality. LJF2019 ^talk 04:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 :It’s also worth noting that these non-free images have been in place for years without issue. They’ve been serving the purpose of visually representing the characters effectively and in accordance with policy. If these images have been compliant and useful for this long, it’s unclear why they are suddenly being replaced by inferior alternatives. The sudden push to remove and replace these longstanding images appears more motivated by the proposer’s desire to have their own uploads displayed than by a genuine concern for policy adherence.
-:One commenter has already pointed out that the proposed replacement for Adriana La Cerva is not suitable due to poor lighting and lack of character detail. Another conceded that the Tony Soprano replacement might be acceptable, but this illustrates that each case needs to be evaluated individually and in context. Blanket deletion proposals like this one fail to account for the nuances in each article and undermine the principle of consensus-based editing.
+:One commenter has already pointed out that the proposed replacement for Adriana La Cerva is not suitable due to poor lighting and lack of character detail.  conceded that the Tony Soprano replacement might be acceptable, but this illustrates that each case needs to be evaluated individually and in context. Blanket deletion proposals like this one fail to account for the nuances in each article and undermine the principle of consensus-based editing.
 :The proposed replacements do not meet the standards set forth by NFCC and degrade the quality of the articles. This isn’t about replacing non-free content with free content whenever possible; it’s about ensuring that any content used serves the best interest of the encyclopedia. The current images do exactly that by providing readers with a visual representation that aligns with the character’s portrayal in the series. Deleting these images in favor of the lower-quality alternatives suggested here would be a disservice to the reader and a step backwards in terms of article quality. [[User:LJF2019|<b><i><span style="text-shadow:3px 3px 4px darkgray;"><span style="color:#0000A0">LJF2019</span></span></i></b>]] [[User talk:LJF2019|<sup><i><span style="color:#2C3539">talk</span></i></sup>]]  04:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)