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Non-notable fan film that immediately fails WP:GNG and WP:NFILM. Two years since the project was announced, it has yet to receive significant coverage from high-quality sources, only low-quality ones such as CBR or MovieWeb. Focusing on the Internet controversy surrounding it is not enough. Additionally, this article was improperly created as a means to bypass the AfC process, after the draft page (created two years ago) was previously rejected at AfC by Dan arndt on the grounds of NFILM. (Note that Superman: Solar, another fan film closely related to this one, shouldn't have an article either.) InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:43, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and Comics and animation. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:43, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• I completely disagree with your statement. First of all, when I created the page, I wasn't aware that there was ever a draft on the same topic and simply wrote it because I felt it was notable enough to have its own page. Do you need to be reminded of WP:AFG?
  This article is one of the most notable fan films of the twenty first century. It is currently sitting at 1,258 for most popular movies on IMDb. Are you advocating for all fan films to be removed from Wikipedia?
  The film has been noticed by numerous news outlets and isn't even comparable to Superman: Solar in media coverage; a quick Google search will show you that.
  I vote Keep. SaltieChips (talk) 17:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  — Note to closing admin: SaltieChips (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:30, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It may have been "noticed" by sources, but those are all unreliable or low-caliber sources that cover every viral phenomenon, every controversy, every meme, every rumor that pops up on the Internet. While such sources may be appropriate to be used as citations, they are typically unacceptable to demonstrate notability. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:30, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete — Per nominator, but I don't necessarily agree with all of the nominator's points. Although comparing articles in this instance is irrelevant, it would be topical to bring up Prelude to Axanar, a Star Trek film that does establish what a fan film article should look like—if only because Paramount sued its filmmaker. I will change my vote if there is stronger coverage beyond perennial hype articles from marginally reliable sources, but I wouldn't hold my breath for a more reliable source to emerge. Spider-Man in film may be a good merge target. The article being a rejected draft is irrelevant; sourcing has increased since then. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:56, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep per significant news coverage. —theMainLogan (t•c) 19:01, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep — Above points explain why to keep it, the film definitely surpasses notability requirements, you'd have to be living under a rock not to know about it. There have been many news articles about the film. The nominator is acting like fan films have never had wikipedia pages before, even though they most certainly have, and this one has an especially high budget. The draft was denied before the movie came out and was not a complete page, back then it was unclear if the film would even be released due to the controversy, but now we're at a point where the film has been released. With even more revelations coming up recently in regards to the film's troublesome development, it'd be the completely wrong move to delete it. ☞ Rim ^{< Talk | Edits >} 20:38, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]