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I would like the purpose of this project to be spelled out in clearer language (i.e. very clear, plain English). [[User:Badagnani|Badagnani]] ([[User talk:Badagnani|talk]]) 19:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:Can you be more specific? I'm all for making things clear, but unless you are more specific in your concern, nothing can be done. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="green">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</sup></small> 19:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::The description of the project, as stated in the main project page, should be made very, very clear, in plain, normal English. [[User:Badagnani|Badagnani]] ([[User talk:Badagnani|talk]]) 19:34, 5 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:::You seem to be echoing. Can you be more specific? Perhaps give an idea of what you find not clear? An idea of what you want changed? Repeating yourself is pointless and useless in a discussion. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="green">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</sup></small> 20:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I have done some rearranging of the information, with minor wording changes. Is that better now, or are there still some things you'd like clarified? If so, please be specific regarding those items and I'll see what i can do to make things more clear. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="green">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</sup></small> 22:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== RFC on the Manual of style for Japan-related articles == |
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== Dab templates == |
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We've been using the '''<nowiki>{{disambig-Chinese-char-title}}</nowiki>''' template rather than '''<nowiki>{{disambig}}</nowiki>'''. If this works for all our purposes, I think we should mention this in the project page.--[[User:Endroit|Endroit]] ([[User talk:Endroit|talk]]) 00:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Please come participate in [[WT:MOSJA#RfC per procedure|the discussion]] on changing Romanization in the Japan-related manual of style. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span>]]<sup>[[WP:HIJCS|?]]</sup> · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<span style="color:blue;">投稿</span>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]] · [[WP:JA|<span style="color:maroon;">Join WP Japan</span>]]!</small> 17:16, 6 May 2015 (UTC) |
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:Not everyone understands templates well. If you can clearly explain how and why it's used, that would be good. [[User:Badagnani|Badagnani]] ([[User talk:Badagnani|talk]]) 00:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC) |
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==[[Draft:煎餅]]== |
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::I'll work on it over the weekend.--[[User:Endroit|Endroit]] ([[User talk:Endroit|talk]]) 16:28, 8 April 2008 (UTC) |
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So, I've submitted a draft of a dab page for [[煎餅]] which was rejected because it's not in English. Do you think it meets CJKV disambiguation needs? -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.46.39|70.51.46.39]] ([[User talk:70.51.46.39|talk]]) 18:07, 28 March 2016 (UTC) |
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== Seeking an explanation for how WP entries like [[神]] or [[天]] are appropriate for an encyclopedia == |
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==Shortcut== |
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Shouldn't [[WP:CJKV]] point here? (or somewhere in any case) [[Special:Contributions/70.55.85.225|70.55.85.225]] ([[User talk:70.55.85.225|talk]]) 05:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC) |
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I am honestly confused what the use case is for CJKV disambig and redirection pages here at the English Wikipedia. As the English Wikipedia, we can only safely assume that our users have some facility with the English language, which does not use Chinese characters at all. |
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:Yes, and it does now. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="green">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</sup></small> 02:11, 15 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Searching for terms in non-Latin scripts sounds much more appropriate for Wiktionary, which aims to be all words in all languages. Adding a similar facility to Wikipedia strikes me very much as straying into [[WP:DICTIONARY]] territory. |
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== Some useful templates == |
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So long as a given non-Latin script form is included somewhere in the body of an article, the basic search functionality should find that page if a user searches for the non-Latin string. That seems to obviate any need for CJKV (or cuneiform or hangul or Armenian or Devanagari etc.) disambig pages. |
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I've added a section called "Some useful templates", to suggest some templates specific to this taskforce: |
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*{{tl|disambig-Chinese-char-title}} |
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Could someone kindly explain the use case for these CJKV entries? ‑‑ [[User:Eirikr|Eiríkr Útlendi]] │<sup>''[[User talk:Eirikr|Tala við mig]]''</sup> 20:31, 17 February 2023 (UTC) |
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*{{tl|transliterationof}} |
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There are other general templates such as {{tl|Wiktionary}} and {{tl|Wiktionarypar}} (described elsewhere) which may also be useful.--[[User:Endroit|Endroit]] ([[User talk:Endroit|talk]]) 16:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Nomination of [[:〇 (disambiguation)]] for deletion == |
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article [[:〇 (disambiguation)]] is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]]. |
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The article will be discussed at '''[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/〇 (disambiguation)]]''' until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. |
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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. |
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<!-- Template:Afd notice --></div> —[[User:Mx. Granger|Mx. Granger]] ([[User talk:Mx. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger|contribs]]) 22:56, 4 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Nomination of [[:土城]] for deletion == |
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article [[:土城]] is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]]. |
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The article will be discussed at '''[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/土城 (2nd nomination)]]''' until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. |
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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. |
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<!-- Template:Afd notice --></div> —[[User:Mx. Granger|Mx. Granger]] ([[User talk:Mx. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger|contribs]]) 14:26, 9 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Requested move for [[三星]] == |
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An editor has requested that [[:三星]] be moved to [[:三星 (disambiguation)]], which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You  are invited to participate in [[Talk:三星|the move discussion]].<!-- from Template:RM notice--> —[[User:Mx. Granger|Mx. Granger]] ([[User talk:Mx. Granger|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Mx. Granger|contribs]]) 04:41, 13 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== A suggestion == |
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I think it would be helpful to link to this discussion on the talk page of any page created through this task force for those at [[WP:NPP|NPP]] who are not aware of this task force. I was not and, because I was considering whether the page should be deleted, I ended up digging around the page history of [[天照 (disambiguation)]] (after looking through the guidelines and seeing nothing) before I saw {{diff|天照 (disambiguation)||1191949627|comments at the draft stage}} that linked here. Thank you for your work improving the encyclopedia. Best, [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 05:28, 29 December 2023 (UTC) |
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RFC on the Manual of style for Japan-related articles
[edit]Please come participate in the discussion on changing Romanization in the Japan-related manual of style. Thanks! ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:16, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
So, I've submitted a draft of a dab page for 煎餅 which was rejected because it's not in English. Do you think it meets CJKV disambiguation needs? -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 18:07, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
I am honestly confused what the use case is for CJKV disambig and redirection pages here at the English Wikipedia. As the English Wikipedia, we can only safely assume that our users have some facility with the English language, which does not use Chinese characters at all.
Searching for terms in non-Latin scripts sounds much more appropriate for Wiktionary, which aims to be all words in all languages. Adding a similar facility to Wikipedia strikes me very much as straying into WP:DICTIONARY territory.
So long as a given non-Latin script form is included somewhere in the body of an article, the basic search functionality should find that page if a user searches for the non-Latin string. That seems to obviate any need for CJKV (or cuneiform or hangul or Armenian or Devanagari etc.) disambig pages.
Could someone kindly explain the use case for these CJKV entries? ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 20:31, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Nomination of 〇 (disambiguation) for deletion
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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/〇 (disambiguation) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.
—Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 22:56, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/土城 (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.
—Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:26, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
An editor has requested that 三星 be moved to 三星 (disambiguation), which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 04:41, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
A suggestion
[edit]I think it would be helpful to link to this discussion on the talk page of any page created through this task force for those at NPP who are not aware of this task force. I was not and, because I was considering whether the page should be deleted, I ended up digging around the page history of 天照 (disambiguation) (after looking through the guidelines and seeing nothing) before I saw comments at the draft stage that linked here. Thank you for your work improving the encyclopedia. Best, voorts (talk/contributions) 05:28, 29 December 2023 (UTC)