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The great Luchino Visconti concocts a stunning banquet of horrors with some of his favorite gourmet dishes: the corruption and decadence of the upper classes, incest, mamma's boys and monstrous/fascinating mothers. The setting this time is National Socialist Germany where the perversions find their perfect home. There is, however, a slight but disturbing enjoyment of the whole putrid thing. Visconti's extraordinary attention to detail requires more than a couple of viewings. Ingrid Thulin's hairstyles are a masterpiece on their own. After Ingman Bergman, Visconti gives her her most showy role. She's a pervert's mother if I ever saw one. Magnificent in her over the top understatement. Creepy Helmut Berger is perfect here. Even his real voice adds to the luridness of his character. In "Ludwig" he was dubbed by Giancarlo Giannini transforming his third rate talent into something,seemingly, transcendental. Dirk Bogarde, Charlotte Rampling, Umberto Orsini plus the gorgeous Renaud Verley and Florinda Bolkan contribute considerably to the rigid and humorless vision of one of the greatest aesthetes the movies have ever known.
- littlemartinarocena
- Feb 6, 2007
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The first chapter in Lucino Visconti's trilogy of "German Decadence", "The Damned" ("Götterdämmerung"), 1969 is a deep and heavy drama; or rather tragedy with many references to Shakespearean and ancient tragedies themes. The film follows a German rich industrialist family, the munitions manufacturers (possibly modeled after Germany's Krupp family) who attempts to keep their power during the rise of Nazism regime. It takes place from the night of the Reichstag fire when the Von Essenbecks have gathered in celebration of the patriarch Joachim's birthday to their eventual downfall ("The Fall of Gods" is the film's Italian title) shortly after the Night of Long Knives.
A Marxist and an aristocrat, Visconti was both repelled by and drawn to the decaying society that he depicts in impressive and loving details and often in a flamboyant style - the examples are the scene with Helmut Berger impersonating Marlene Dietrich's Lola-Lola "Blue Angel", the beer party, the orgy and following them massacre during the "Night of Long Knives".
Both film's titles, "The Damned" and "The Fall of the Gods" prepare us for entering the gates of Inferno - "Abandon hope all ye who enter here". The characters we met, the members of the respected and famous family are "Fallen Gods" and they are ready to take the eternal damnation of their souls in the exchange for Power which is above money, love or any human feelings. The weakest and tender will vanish; the most unscrupulous, merciless, backstabbing, hating and cruel will celebrate on this feast during the time of plague.
The acting is very impressive by all members of a fine international cast that includes Ingrid Thulin, Dirk Bogarde, Charlotte Rampling, Renaud Verley, Umberto Orsini and Helmut Berger. I just want to say couple of words about Ingrid Thulin (Baroness Sophie, the widowed daughter in law of a steel baron Joachim) and Helmut Berger as her son, Martin. I've never seen Ingrid Thulin as beautiful, desirable yet wicked and evil as the German Lady Macbeth/Queen Gertrude/Agrippina the Younger. I dare say that I like her in Visconti's film better than in Bergman's films that made her world famous. Helmut Berger was born to play Martin - immoral, corrupted, and bad to the bone playboy-pedophile Hamlet/Nero in Nazi uniform yet at some point strangely sympathetic. And was he pretty as Lola-Lola :).
8/10
A Marxist and an aristocrat, Visconti was both repelled by and drawn to the decaying society that he depicts in impressive and loving details and often in a flamboyant style - the examples are the scene with Helmut Berger impersonating Marlene Dietrich's Lola-Lola "Blue Angel", the beer party, the orgy and following them massacre during the "Night of Long Knives".
Both film's titles, "The Damned" and "The Fall of the Gods" prepare us for entering the gates of Inferno - "Abandon hope all ye who enter here". The characters we met, the members of the respected and famous family are "Fallen Gods" and they are ready to take the eternal damnation of their souls in the exchange for Power which is above money, love or any human feelings. The weakest and tender will vanish; the most unscrupulous, merciless, backstabbing, hating and cruel will celebrate on this feast during the time of plague.
The acting is very impressive by all members of a fine international cast that includes Ingrid Thulin, Dirk Bogarde, Charlotte Rampling, Renaud Verley, Umberto Orsini and Helmut Berger. I just want to say couple of words about Ingrid Thulin (Baroness Sophie, the widowed daughter in law of a steel baron Joachim) and Helmut Berger as her son, Martin. I've never seen Ingrid Thulin as beautiful, desirable yet wicked and evil as the German Lady Macbeth/Queen Gertrude/Agrippina the Younger. I dare say that I like her in Visconti's film better than in Bergman's films that made her world famous. Helmut Berger was born to play Martin - immoral, corrupted, and bad to the bone playboy-pedophile Hamlet/Nero in Nazi uniform yet at some point strangely sympathetic. And was he pretty as Lola-Lola :).
8/10
- Galina_movie_fan
- Jul 13, 2006
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The Damned tells the story about the Nazi consolidation of power from the Reichstag fire of 1933 through the famous Night Of The Long Knives purge in 1934 as seen through the eyes of a prominent German industrial family, the Von Essenbachs. The Von Essenbachs are a Prussian Junker clan who survived World War I with fortune intact. They are a munitions manufacturing outfit based on the real life Krupps and in order to survive the Great Depression and the coming Nazi preventive counterrevolution they make a deal with the new Third Reich.
As we know from history the Nazis manufactured an incident with the famous Reichstag fire to spread fear and create the climate for the new Chancellor Adolph Hitler to assume dictatorial powers. The next year was a struggle for power within the Nazi movement as well as the country. The Von Essenbachs have their own power struggles with in the family that parallel the Nazis and the country.
Luchino Visconti based some of his characters on some real life German personalities of the day. Dirk Bogarde is based on Hjalmar Schacht the finance minister who in fact was a technician and who did in fact play a large role in German recovery from the Depression. Bogarde is a new man brought in to reorganize the munitions factory and who like Schacht thinks he can ride the tiger.
Swedish actress Ingrid Thulin plays the daughter of the patriarch of the clan Albrecht Schoenhals. She's one vicious woman who has bought completely into the Nazi ideology. I believe she's based on Joseph Goebbels wife Magda, one of the most terrifying women in history. Though the two of them indulged in many affairs, they were committed partners in support of Hitler. Magda Goebbels was a woman who along with her husband so couldn't stand the thought of Germany losing World War II and her children living under Russian/Slavic occupation that she and Joe killed their seven kids as well as themselves. One of the sickest people in history and I can definitely see Thulin doing the same thing in the same circumstances.
The Damned was nominated for an Oscar in 1969 for Best Original Screenplay, it lost to the more popular Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid. As much as I like Newman and Redford this story is far better. Sadly this was the only nomination for the film, incredibly not even nominated for Best Foreign Film.
As Visconti states in the film Nazism may have been born with Hitler and discontented veterans of World War I, but it was incubated in the factories of Germany during the Great Depression. It was fed to the workers by the owners who were in terror of a Communist revolution. In many ways the Nazi takeover was a preemptive strike against that occurring, but it was a horrible price.
As we know from history the Nazis manufactured an incident with the famous Reichstag fire to spread fear and create the climate for the new Chancellor Adolph Hitler to assume dictatorial powers. The next year was a struggle for power within the Nazi movement as well as the country. The Von Essenbachs have their own power struggles with in the family that parallel the Nazis and the country.
Luchino Visconti based some of his characters on some real life German personalities of the day. Dirk Bogarde is based on Hjalmar Schacht the finance minister who in fact was a technician and who did in fact play a large role in German recovery from the Depression. Bogarde is a new man brought in to reorganize the munitions factory and who like Schacht thinks he can ride the tiger.
Swedish actress Ingrid Thulin plays the daughter of the patriarch of the clan Albrecht Schoenhals. She's one vicious woman who has bought completely into the Nazi ideology. I believe she's based on Joseph Goebbels wife Magda, one of the most terrifying women in history. Though the two of them indulged in many affairs, they were committed partners in support of Hitler. Magda Goebbels was a woman who along with her husband so couldn't stand the thought of Germany losing World War II and her children living under Russian/Slavic occupation that she and Joe killed their seven kids as well as themselves. One of the sickest people in history and I can definitely see Thulin doing the same thing in the same circumstances.
The Damned was nominated for an Oscar in 1969 for Best Original Screenplay, it lost to the more popular Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid. As much as I like Newman and Redford this story is far better. Sadly this was the only nomination for the film, incredibly not even nominated for Best Foreign Film.
As Visconti states in the film Nazism may have been born with Hitler and discontented veterans of World War I, but it was incubated in the factories of Germany during the Great Depression. It was fed to the workers by the owners who were in terror of a Communist revolution. In many ways the Nazi takeover was a preemptive strike against that occurring, but it was a horrible price.
- bkoganbing
- May 28, 2009
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- francheval
- Feb 15, 2006
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Pauline Kael famously called this movie "hysterical" (she was contrasting it to Bertolucci's *The Conformist*, which was supposed to be more "lyrical".) Well, a movie about decadent Nazis is bound to be a little hysterical -- what, were you expecting something tasteful? Hysteria is probably the best mode with which to treat the Third Reich. What's astounding is that director Luchino Visconti forced his sweaty, hysterical visuals into a rigid classical structure. The set-up is pure clockwork: one betrayal leading to another; one devastation opening up an even deeper abyss for another perpetrator.
Basically, Visconti is taking on *Macbeth*, here. Dirk Bogarde plays the Macbeth figure, an up-and-coming industrialist who's sleeping with an evil Grande Dame of Nazi finance, Sophie von Essenbeck (Ingrid Thulin, having an absolute ball), heiress to a munitions conglomerate. (The von Essenbecks are loosely based on the Krupps, but don't take this as any sort of literal historiography.) Thulin eggs on her lover Bogarde to commit a few politic murders and a frame-up or two so that he can take over the family business, with herself as the power behind the throne. But she doesn't count on the pathology of her grown son from a previous marriage, the hideous little monster Martin (Helmut Berger, acting terribly but it sort of fits in an Udo Kier-sort of way). Martin is your typical Nazi: a closet pedophile, a drug addict, a transvestite, a momma's-boy, a you-name-it. The scenes involving his seduction of a 9- or 10-year-old girl who lives in a shabby apartment complex are some of the most disturbing that you'll ever see in cinema . . . and along those lines, I seriously wonder about the state of mind of some of the commentators here who find this movie to be high camp, to be watched with drinking buddies. If you think molestation is funny, you'd better see a shrink, pal.
Anyway. The plot is so Byzantine that it finally defeats a brief summary. Let it suffice to say that Visconti manages to cram his complicated story neatly within the historical context of the period between the Reichstag Fire and the Night of the Long Knives, thereby maintaining a nutty observance of Classical Unities. All the while, he films the thing in Hammer-horror Pop color, with intense contrast between shadow and light. The first scene, by the way, is a shot of the blasting furnaces of the munitions factory -- a fitting intro to the horrendous vision of depravity which soon follows. Everyone's sweating in this movie: drops of perspiration trickle down temples, and beads of sweat glisten on upper lips throughout, as if the flames of Hell are licking up at the soles of their collective feet. *The Damned* is a feverish masterpiece. You'll never forget it. Highest recommendation.
(A tip for viewing of the DVD: I recommend that you watch the movie with the English subtitles ON. While everyone speaks English in the film, only Bogarde is clearly intelligible. Owing to the complicated plot, you'll need to know what's going on in order to fully appreciate Visconti's thematic design.)
Basically, Visconti is taking on *Macbeth*, here. Dirk Bogarde plays the Macbeth figure, an up-and-coming industrialist who's sleeping with an evil Grande Dame of Nazi finance, Sophie von Essenbeck (Ingrid Thulin, having an absolute ball), heiress to a munitions conglomerate. (The von Essenbecks are loosely based on the Krupps, but don't take this as any sort of literal historiography.) Thulin eggs on her lover Bogarde to commit a few politic murders and a frame-up or two so that he can take over the family business, with herself as the power behind the throne. But she doesn't count on the pathology of her grown son from a previous marriage, the hideous little monster Martin (Helmut Berger, acting terribly but it sort of fits in an Udo Kier-sort of way). Martin is your typical Nazi: a closet pedophile, a drug addict, a transvestite, a momma's-boy, a you-name-it. The scenes involving his seduction of a 9- or 10-year-old girl who lives in a shabby apartment complex are some of the most disturbing that you'll ever see in cinema . . . and along those lines, I seriously wonder about the state of mind of some of the commentators here who find this movie to be high camp, to be watched with drinking buddies. If you think molestation is funny, you'd better see a shrink, pal.
Anyway. The plot is so Byzantine that it finally defeats a brief summary. Let it suffice to say that Visconti manages to cram his complicated story neatly within the historical context of the period between the Reichstag Fire and the Night of the Long Knives, thereby maintaining a nutty observance of Classical Unities. All the while, he films the thing in Hammer-horror Pop color, with intense contrast between shadow and light. The first scene, by the way, is a shot of the blasting furnaces of the munitions factory -- a fitting intro to the horrendous vision of depravity which soon follows. Everyone's sweating in this movie: drops of perspiration trickle down temples, and beads of sweat glisten on upper lips throughout, as if the flames of Hell are licking up at the soles of their collective feet. *The Damned* is a feverish masterpiece. You'll never forget it. Highest recommendation.
(A tip for viewing of the DVD: I recommend that you watch the movie with the English subtitles ON. While everyone speaks English in the film, only Bogarde is clearly intelligible. Owing to the complicated plot, you'll need to know what's going on in order to fully appreciate Visconti's thematic design.)
- FilmSnobby
- Mar 31, 2004
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This really is Luchino Visconti's magnum opus - The Damned is an utterly engrossing work of art that grabs you from the start and doesn't relinquish its grip until the final frames. The accents from the international cast takes a little getting used to - the soundtrack is in English (some sync sound, some dubbed) and Dirk Bogarde's refined English accent doesn't really suit the part of a German industrialist at first but once you get used to these incongruities the cast seems perfect! The cinematography is beautiful, capturing the decaying elegance perfectly. The score by Maurice Jarre adds to the atmosphere nicely even if it is a little reminiscent of Dr Zhivago. The film's themes are quite challenging and sometimes uncomfortable to watch but it's always compelling and absorbing even at 2 hours 35 minutes.
- kevin-jones
- Jul 27, 2004
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"The Damned" is pretty much what I expected from a Luchino Visconti epic from the 1960s...it's very long, very slow and very mannered. However, unlike some of his other tediously long films ("The Leopard" and "Death in Venice", it is more watchable...possibly because it's so perverse.
The film is about a rich industrialist family in Nazi Germany during the early years (1933 or so onward towards WWII). At the beginning, they seem relatively normal though over the course of the film, these conniving and avaricious folks sell their souls to the Nazi regime in order to maintain power and financial success. In the process, some get wrapped up in the SA (and are eventually destroyed), rape, incest (multiple times), cross-dressing and more...until by the end of the film most of them are dead and the remaining family member is a soul-less ghoul of a man.
The story is a decent overview of the German industrialists in general. They were an evil lot who profited tremendously from the build up to the war. Plus, unlike most WWII films, you really see nothing of the country except life for this family. So, the persecution of Jews, Hitler's seizing power and much more are only mentioned in the film as opposed to being directly dealt with in the story. This was NOT a bad thing and makes the film very unique. What also is unique is how incredibly perverse everyone is. There is a lot of nudity...some of which is quite incestuous and kinky. So, it's clearly NOT a film to show the kids or your mother or Reverend Jenkins!
Another important thing I must mention is the slowness of the film. It is NOT a movie the average person would enjoy and that is a trademark of many of Visconti's later films. This isn't so much a criticism but an observation. I much prefer his earlier work (such as "Rocco and His Brothers") but many seem to like his slow epics. To each his own....but like his other films, "The Damned" might have been better with a bit of editing and tightening up of the story.
The film is about a rich industrialist family in Nazi Germany during the early years (1933 or so onward towards WWII). At the beginning, they seem relatively normal though over the course of the film, these conniving and avaricious folks sell their souls to the Nazi regime in order to maintain power and financial success. In the process, some get wrapped up in the SA (and are eventually destroyed), rape, incest (multiple times), cross-dressing and more...until by the end of the film most of them are dead and the remaining family member is a soul-less ghoul of a man.
The story is a decent overview of the German industrialists in general. They were an evil lot who profited tremendously from the build up to the war. Plus, unlike most WWII films, you really see nothing of the country except life for this family. So, the persecution of Jews, Hitler's seizing power and much more are only mentioned in the film as opposed to being directly dealt with in the story. This was NOT a bad thing and makes the film very unique. What also is unique is how incredibly perverse everyone is. There is a lot of nudity...some of which is quite incestuous and kinky. So, it's clearly NOT a film to show the kids or your mother or Reverend Jenkins!
Another important thing I must mention is the slowness of the film. It is NOT a movie the average person would enjoy and that is a trademark of many of Visconti's later films. This isn't so much a criticism but an observation. I much prefer his earlier work (such as "Rocco and His Brothers") but many seem to like his slow epics. To each his own....but like his other films, "The Damned" might have been better with a bit of editing and tightening up of the story.
- planktonrules
- Aug 7, 2016
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Italian filmmaker Luchino Viconti's 1969 film "The Damned" is a haunting work of art that may quite easily be regarded as one of the boldest and most disturbing works in the whole of cinema. The Damned is a testament to the genius of Visconti who at the height of his power produced cinema that not only transcended the conventional boundaries but also had the courage to tackle themes that even today are considered forbidden. The Damned is often described as hysterical, but what can a movie that's set during the tumultuous phase of Nazi holocaust be anything but hysterical? The movie adorns a stellar international cast (led by Ingrid Thulin and Dirk Bogarde) and it does take sometime to get used to their different accents. A casual viewer can be further unruffled by movie's convoluted plot. But, patience does have its rewards and in this case, tenfold.
Those who have already watched another of Visconti's masterpieces, Death in Venice would be greatly surprised to witness the Italian maestro's range as an auteur. The subtlety and timidness that underline Death in Venice are completely absent here, at least in an explicit sense, and are replaced by the expressions of brusqueness and chutzpah in full effect. Dirk Bogarde plays a Macbeth-like character with religious fervor. While his remarkable performance in Death in Venice is easily his best ever (arguably one of the all time best performances in the history of cinema) his portrayal of an insecure usurper in The Damned is nothing short of outstanding. But, the real star of the show is Ingrid Thulin. Anyone who has seen her in Ingmar Bergman's Winter Light will get the shock of his/her life. As the imperious, glacial, ravishing Sophie Von Essenbeck in The Damned, Thulin is a sight for the sore eyes, an elixir for the perturbed souls, a poltergeist for the envious. Helmut Berger as Sophie's effeminate son Martin Von Essenbeck is equally chilling.
The Damned is replete with homosexuality, incest, gore and endless grotesqueries, and even makes most contemporary holocaust films like Schindler's List and The Pianist appear ridiculously juvenile. The Damned is a profoundly disturbing work of cinema that captures the pervasive insanity of the holocaust days as an irrefutable proof of the diabolical, debasing, animalistic character that defines the dark side of human psyche. The Damned is not meant for the faint-hearted and can only be savored by eschewing bigotry, prejudice, and conservatism.
http://www.apotpourriofvestiges.com/
Those who have already watched another of Visconti's masterpieces, Death in Venice would be greatly surprised to witness the Italian maestro's range as an auteur. The subtlety and timidness that underline Death in Venice are completely absent here, at least in an explicit sense, and are replaced by the expressions of brusqueness and chutzpah in full effect. Dirk Bogarde plays a Macbeth-like character with religious fervor. While his remarkable performance in Death in Venice is easily his best ever (arguably one of the all time best performances in the history of cinema) his portrayal of an insecure usurper in The Damned is nothing short of outstanding. But, the real star of the show is Ingrid Thulin. Anyone who has seen her in Ingmar Bergman's Winter Light will get the shock of his/her life. As the imperious, glacial, ravishing Sophie Von Essenbeck in The Damned, Thulin is a sight for the sore eyes, an elixir for the perturbed souls, a poltergeist for the envious. Helmut Berger as Sophie's effeminate son Martin Von Essenbeck is equally chilling.
The Damned is replete with homosexuality, incest, gore and endless grotesqueries, and even makes most contemporary holocaust films like Schindler's List and The Pianist appear ridiculously juvenile. The Damned is a profoundly disturbing work of cinema that captures the pervasive insanity of the holocaust days as an irrefutable proof of the diabolical, debasing, animalistic character that defines the dark side of human psyche. The Damned is not meant for the faint-hearted and can only be savored by eschewing bigotry, prejudice, and conservatism.
http://www.apotpourriofvestiges.com/
- murtaza_mma
- Jan 17, 2013
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Money and power often attracts evil ambitions and cruel intentions. Once the family members started the play, it was hard to stop and you never know how it will end up. Especial of the political background leading to WWII. In a Godfather like plot, the stories, plans and alliencies start to twist and interwine together. The movie was a bit too long. Some scenes could have been ommitted..
Caduta degli dei, La is one of the most shocking movies in screen history. I truthfully don't believe this film could be made today, it's just too perverted.
Swedish actress Ingrid Thulin of Wild Strawberries fame is fantastic as a ruthless countess who will do anything, and I mean anything to achieve her desires for power. About 44 years old in 1969, Thulin presents a sexy and dangerous screen aura. She's blonde, lanky, and uses her stunning exotic looks and fit body to get what she wants.
This film is very demented, but it's symbolic of the fall of normality in Germany as the Nazi Party gains power. Scenes of gay orgies, nude men, gay cross dressers, and child molestation leave a bitter taste in your mouth. However, Ingrid Thulin's scene in which her sexually mixed-up son strips before her and then tears off her top is even further over the top. Thulin plays the part to perfection and as she lays half-naked in bed both crying tears of agony and moans in excitement, it's an outstanding symbolic scene of the damnation that over-took Germany.
Ingrid Thulin's greatest and most controversial scene role.
Swedish actress Ingrid Thulin of Wild Strawberries fame is fantastic as a ruthless countess who will do anything, and I mean anything to achieve her desires for power. About 44 years old in 1969, Thulin presents a sexy and dangerous screen aura. She's blonde, lanky, and uses her stunning exotic looks and fit body to get what she wants.
This film is very demented, but it's symbolic of the fall of normality in Germany as the Nazi Party gains power. Scenes of gay orgies, nude men, gay cross dressers, and child molestation leave a bitter taste in your mouth. However, Ingrid Thulin's scene in which her sexually mixed-up son strips before her and then tears off her top is even further over the top. Thulin plays the part to perfection and as she lays half-naked in bed both crying tears of agony and moans in excitement, it's an outstanding symbolic scene of the damnation that over-took Germany.
Ingrid Thulin's greatest and most controversial scene role.
- legwarmers1980
- Feb 10, 2006
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- Ben_Cheshire
- Jul 31, 2004
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Most of the previous reviews noted the link in this sumptuous piece of high camp with Hamlet, but only one noted the secondary English title was a direct reference to Wagner's Twilight of the Gods. Presenting the rise of Nazism as a camp Wagnerian Soap Opera was what Visconti was after, I think. He succeeds brilliantly. Yes, it is distasteful in it's perversions, but Nazism was pretty distasteful in it's reality, and perverted too. I am not gay, but the Night of the Long Knives is one of the most memorable bits of cinematography I have seen- a cross dressing SA thug by the Wannansee having a premonition of doom at the hands of the SS- go figure! Thulin and Rampling are superb, Bogarde believable (in an utterly unbelievable role), and Berger chews the carpet in a way that gives overacting a good name. Not to be missed.
Sorry to go all contrarian here, but I think the story and screenplay (yes, I noticed it got an Oscar nomination, and for that matter that Fassbinder said this film did for cinema what Shakespeare did for the stage) are just wrongheaded, whether you consider the film as a family melodrama or as some sort of historical allegory about Nazism or a philosophical parable. The actors do their best with it, and the visual imagery is skillfully done, but they can't make a good movie out of this piece of cloth. Really, I think this.
(This review is based on the US English-dubbed DVD, so it's conceivable that I'm missing something that was in the original. But I'd have to be shown.)
Let me get it out of the way first that this film appears to me to be really a bad portrayal of LGBT people, beginning with the famous drag scene acted by Helmut Berger -- which in this film warns the viewer to watch out for Martin Essenbeck, because any man perverted enough to dress up as Marlene Dietrich is perverted enough for any crime, without distinction of age, gender, or relationship -- and leading on to the rather fanciful reimagination of the Night of the Long Knives with rooms full of naked young men getting shot down. Yes, I KNOW that Visconti was gay himself and that Berger is bi, so maybe I, a straight amateur, have no right to criticize here. Maybe this is some sort of satirical subversive reappropriation of the view that gays were to blame for the Third Reich (which you can hear from some voices on the right wing today). I cringed, but I am leaving this factor out of consideration in my rating.
Let's start, then, with the allegory idea. Blurbs here and there say that this film is an allegory of the rise and fall of Nazism, but it isn't. The action starts a month after Hitler's swearing-in, on February 27, 1933, the night of the Reichstag fire, and it closes not too long after the SA purge on June 30, 1934. This is a period in which Nazism consolidated its victory, after its rise; its fall was not even on the horizon yet, and that's true in the film as well.
For an allegory to work, it requires some kind of knowledgeable approach to the subject matter and some kind of apparent argument to make, picture to portray, or other reason to exist. There is supposed to be some kind of correspondence between the characters in the allegory and whatever concepts or entities they are supposed to represent.
How does that work in "The Damned"? To begin with, the context of Nazism is shut completely out of the movie. You hear nothing about the depression; the Communists are mentioned in a word and then dropped. You hardly even see the steel works. The whole enterprise is just a MacGuffin, something for everyone to fight over.
We are shown a family with several different approaches to the Nazi victory of 1933. Joachim, the patriarch, is willing to make a grudging compromise; Konstantin, the son, is a thuggish SA man (a rich baron would have cut an odd figure as an SA leader, but I digress); Sophie, the widowed daughter-in-law, and Friedrich, the works manager and her lover, want to use the Nazis for their own power; Herbert, the son-in-law, resists in words. Aschenbach, the Mephistophelean SS man, plays with them all, and none of the above family members are entirely successful; scum is rising to the top, and it's hard to be the kind of absolutely depraved scum that Aschenbach is looking for. The idea that it would be useful, even to the Nazis, for the manager of a steel works to know something, about, you know, management or steel - this doesn't arise.
If there is an allegory here, it is not a very useful one. It's not about how the Nazis rose (or fell). It doesn't account for Aschenbach. He can have come from Hell or outer space, as far as we know. It doesn't say what if anything to do about Nazis either. It's about who (within this tiny sliver of the privileged) ends up winning the competition organized by Aschenbach to prove oneself most reliable by being the most depraved and the closest to a mathematical human zero.
And all it tells us is that Nazism was a bad thing - watch out for it. True enough, but I don't think it's particularly enlightening about it otherwise.
The film works even less well as a melodrama. The screenplay requires the actors to bellow and snarl lines at each other about their feelings and intentions which are worthy of telenovelas, but it has none of the virtues of a telenovela screenplay. It has no sympathetic or compelling central characters. The central characters are all horrible, and the non-horrible ones are all peripheral. There are no coherent plans that any of them are pursuing that get anywhere. Ashenbach doesn't count, as he has no personal life and is more of a force field than a character.
The best gloss I can put on this is that it is really an existential parable, which is not really about Nazism at all, but about Evil, which if you save your soul it kills you, or if you try to sell it your soul it cheats you and kills you anyway; the only way to survive is to have no soul in the first place. But then there you are with no soul. It's a bleak world-view and not terribly adaptive, but the movie has a right to it, I guess. But I think Nazism was just too horrible and real a thing to be used as just a prop in this kind of exercise.
(This review is based on the US English-dubbed DVD, so it's conceivable that I'm missing something that was in the original. But I'd have to be shown.)
Let me get it out of the way first that this film appears to me to be really a bad portrayal of LGBT people, beginning with the famous drag scene acted by Helmut Berger -- which in this film warns the viewer to watch out for Martin Essenbeck, because any man perverted enough to dress up as Marlene Dietrich is perverted enough for any crime, without distinction of age, gender, or relationship -- and leading on to the rather fanciful reimagination of the Night of the Long Knives with rooms full of naked young men getting shot down. Yes, I KNOW that Visconti was gay himself and that Berger is bi, so maybe I, a straight amateur, have no right to criticize here. Maybe this is some sort of satirical subversive reappropriation of the view that gays were to blame for the Third Reich (which you can hear from some voices on the right wing today). I cringed, but I am leaving this factor out of consideration in my rating.
Let's start, then, with the allegory idea. Blurbs here and there say that this film is an allegory of the rise and fall of Nazism, but it isn't. The action starts a month after Hitler's swearing-in, on February 27, 1933, the night of the Reichstag fire, and it closes not too long after the SA purge on June 30, 1934. This is a period in which Nazism consolidated its victory, after its rise; its fall was not even on the horizon yet, and that's true in the film as well.
For an allegory to work, it requires some kind of knowledgeable approach to the subject matter and some kind of apparent argument to make, picture to portray, or other reason to exist. There is supposed to be some kind of correspondence between the characters in the allegory and whatever concepts or entities they are supposed to represent.
How does that work in "The Damned"? To begin with, the context of Nazism is shut completely out of the movie. You hear nothing about the depression; the Communists are mentioned in a word and then dropped. You hardly even see the steel works. The whole enterprise is just a MacGuffin, something for everyone to fight over.
We are shown a family with several different approaches to the Nazi victory of 1933. Joachim, the patriarch, is willing to make a grudging compromise; Konstantin, the son, is a thuggish SA man (a rich baron would have cut an odd figure as an SA leader, but I digress); Sophie, the widowed daughter-in-law, and Friedrich, the works manager and her lover, want to use the Nazis for their own power; Herbert, the son-in-law, resists in words. Aschenbach, the Mephistophelean SS man, plays with them all, and none of the above family members are entirely successful; scum is rising to the top, and it's hard to be the kind of absolutely depraved scum that Aschenbach is looking for. The idea that it would be useful, even to the Nazis, for the manager of a steel works to know something, about, you know, management or steel - this doesn't arise.
If there is an allegory here, it is not a very useful one. It's not about how the Nazis rose (or fell). It doesn't account for Aschenbach. He can have come from Hell or outer space, as far as we know. It doesn't say what if anything to do about Nazis either. It's about who (within this tiny sliver of the privileged) ends up winning the competition organized by Aschenbach to prove oneself most reliable by being the most depraved and the closest to a mathematical human zero.
And all it tells us is that Nazism was a bad thing - watch out for it. True enough, but I don't think it's particularly enlightening about it otherwise.
The film works even less well as a melodrama. The screenplay requires the actors to bellow and snarl lines at each other about their feelings and intentions which are worthy of telenovelas, but it has none of the virtues of a telenovela screenplay. It has no sympathetic or compelling central characters. The central characters are all horrible, and the non-horrible ones are all peripheral. There are no coherent plans that any of them are pursuing that get anywhere. Ashenbach doesn't count, as he has no personal life and is more of a force field than a character.
The best gloss I can put on this is that it is really an existential parable, which is not really about Nazism at all, but about Evil, which if you save your soul it kills you, or if you try to sell it your soul it cheats you and kills you anyway; the only way to survive is to have no soul in the first place. But then there you are with no soul. It's a bleak world-view and not terribly adaptive, but the movie has a right to it, I guess. But I think Nazism was just too horrible and real a thing to be used as just a prop in this kind of exercise.
"The damned" is the first film of Visconti's German trilogy. The others are "Death in Venice" (1971) and "Ludwig" (1973).
The theme of "The damned" has much in common with "Il Gattopardo" (1963, Luchino Visconti). In both films the old elite enters into a coalition with a new elite to preserve his position.
There are some differences also. The new elite in "Il Gattopardo" is the old elite in "The damned" (industrialists and traders). In "Il Gattopardo" the conflict between values and pragmatism rages in one person (Prince Don Fabrizio Salina). In "The damned" this conflict divides the members of the family Von Essenbeck.
Last but not least the new elite with which the family Von Essenbeck is dealing (Nazi's) is much more dangerous and destructive then the new elite in "Il Gattopardo". In one of the most decadent scenes in film history the division inside the Von Essenbeck family concides with the purge in which the SS (Schutzstaffel) eliminates the SA (Sturmabteiling) within Nazi Germany (Night of the long knives).
The theme of "The damned" has much in common with "Il Gattopardo" (1963, Luchino Visconti). In both films the old elite enters into a coalition with a new elite to preserve his position.
There are some differences also. The new elite in "Il Gattopardo" is the old elite in "The damned" (industrialists and traders). In "Il Gattopardo" the conflict between values and pragmatism rages in one person (Prince Don Fabrizio Salina). In "The damned" this conflict divides the members of the family Von Essenbeck.
Last but not least the new elite with which the family Von Essenbeck is dealing (Nazi's) is much more dangerous and destructive then the new elite in "Il Gattopardo". In one of the most decadent scenes in film history the division inside the Von Essenbeck family concides with the purge in which the SS (Schutzstaffel) eliminates the SA (Sturmabteiling) within Nazi Germany (Night of the long knives).
- frankde-jong
- Aug 1, 2020
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Before watching The Damned, ask yourself, "what do I think cinema is?" There are great films that are perfect in composition and symmetry that are ultimately audience friendly. This isn't. It is, however, absolutely fearless. It challenges you.
Those who do not want to consider art mirroring life, but instead want to be fed a concoction, will not like it. Many who fancy themselves connoisseurs sit in harsh judgment, comparing it to other auteur films. But The Damned is so historically brutal, it is beyond comparison.
The film vividly captures the moral decay and depravity of the rise of the Third Reich and there is nothing, repeat: nothing, remotely redeeming about that. Conversely, there is a terrible, disturbing and morbidly fascinating anti-beauty to see it on screen.
It is as much an historic cautionary tale as a modern warning. Those who judge it harshly do not consider its truth: it reflects the greed and lust for power that propels humanity not only to war, but to more the gradual punishments of pandemics and submerged cities. The only film that remotely approaches it, albeit from a different but equally terrifying perspective is Dr. Strangelove, a film I watch every Halloween to be truly frightened. Strangelove asks "what if?". There is no "what if" to the rise of the Third Reich. We cannot hide that it happened, nor should we forget that it was defeated. It is the knowledge that what we see on the screen was defeated that makes us able to watch it, to witness it, to own it, to claim it, and to remember, "it is only a film" Heaven help us if we ever forget.
To make a film of this power required total confidence in the director's palette. Visconti shows it here. The Damned is a bitter pill, not for many, but for those able to look honestly in its mirror.
It is superlative film making of rarely equaled brilliance.
I had to hunt for this video, but found it quite surprisingly at my local independent video store. Having recently seen Helmut Berger in in the film Ludwig, I was curious to see him in this role which apparently was his "introduction" to film. He is an amazing actor and while there were many disturbing moments in this film he was true to his character. I saw the character of Martin as not so much "damned" but as a "fallen" being: tortured by his own inner impulses, his feelings of rejection by his mother, etc. which culminate in providing perfect figure for Nazi terror. It is a shame that Helmut Berger has not received more recognition in the US. There are so many international actors who are almost complete unknowns in the states. Sad. I love Visconti's use of dark lighting and shadows. In this film as in Ludwig it added to the already "dark" subject matter, and is a visual treat.
For this viewer at any rate Luchino Visconti reached his peak as a director with 'Il Gattopardo' and while it is only natural for creative artistes to change their style with the passing years one cannot help but feel that his later films do not represent a change for the better.
What is most apparent in the first of his so-called 'German trilogy' is its sheer vulgarity and irredeemable tastelessness. Some might say that he has succeeded in showing the narcissistic and homo-erotic elements of Nazism but he has indulged himself to such an extent that the depiction of the Night of the Long Knives has simply become an excuse for displaying good looking young hunks in their birthday suits. In fact the film contains so much camp homosexual iconography that one critic has suggested an alternative title of 'Boys in the Bund.' This could be seen as the film that finally enabled its director to emerge from the closet. His 'protégé' Helmut Berger chillingly portrays one of the most sickeningly degenerate characters ever committed to celluloid but of course to a dedicated Marxist such as Visconti only a Fascist could be capable of such depravity.
Although Dirk Bogarde's role was severely cut so as to accommodate Visconti's obsession with Herr Berger, he still registers strongly and there is a mesmerising performance by the superlative Ingrid Thulin. This film also marks the final appearance of veteran Albrecht Schoenhals, an extremely interesting individual who bravely refused the title role in the infamous 'Jew Suss', the playing of which was to prove a poisoned chalice for Ferdinand Marian.
By all accounts Visconti's opus was greatly admired by Rainer Werner Fassbinder which comes as no surprise.
What is most apparent in the first of his so-called 'German trilogy' is its sheer vulgarity and irredeemable tastelessness. Some might say that he has succeeded in showing the narcissistic and homo-erotic elements of Nazism but he has indulged himself to such an extent that the depiction of the Night of the Long Knives has simply become an excuse for displaying good looking young hunks in their birthday suits. In fact the film contains so much camp homosexual iconography that one critic has suggested an alternative title of 'Boys in the Bund.' This could be seen as the film that finally enabled its director to emerge from the closet. His 'protégé' Helmut Berger chillingly portrays one of the most sickeningly degenerate characters ever committed to celluloid but of course to a dedicated Marxist such as Visconti only a Fascist could be capable of such depravity.
Although Dirk Bogarde's role was severely cut so as to accommodate Visconti's obsession with Herr Berger, he still registers strongly and there is a mesmerising performance by the superlative Ingrid Thulin. This film also marks the final appearance of veteran Albrecht Schoenhals, an extremely interesting individual who bravely refused the title role in the infamous 'Jew Suss', the playing of which was to prove a poisoned chalice for Ferdinand Marian.
By all accounts Visconti's opus was greatly admired by Rainer Werner Fassbinder which comes as no surprise.
- brogmiller
- Jul 30, 2022
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Visconti's bizarre examination of a powerful and wealthy family whose downfall both parallels the rise and foreshadows the fall of the Third Reich is never less than entertaining, it has to be said. Certainly not to the tastes of all, it seems to revel in the decadence and debauchery it portrays in much the same way a tabloid paper feels it has to publish dozens of photographs of the pornography it pretends to condemn. Look how depraved these incestuous cross-dressing Nazis were; apart from one pious voice the whole nation, it seems, is condemned with one broad stroke and we are given no contrast against which to compare such depravity.
The characters of the Von Essenbach family are each representative of a facet of 30s German character, all joined in a desire for power or the need to be protected beneath its wing, prone to making strident and unyielding demands and dismissing the rights of those who stand in their way. This leaves us with a morally repugnant lot, none of whom we can empathise with, and also tempts the cast to overact at times. Ingrid Thulin is particularly guilty, and even the usually laconic Dirk Bogarde becomes overwrought at times.
For all these faults, the film is shamelessly entertaining and fascinating to watch. It plays like a Shakespearian tragedy at times, and you feel compelled to see it through to the end just to find out the fate of each character.
The characters of the Von Essenbach family are each representative of a facet of 30s German character, all joined in a desire for power or the need to be protected beneath its wing, prone to making strident and unyielding demands and dismissing the rights of those who stand in their way. This leaves us with a morally repugnant lot, none of whom we can empathise with, and also tempts the cast to overact at times. Ingrid Thulin is particularly guilty, and even the usually laconic Dirk Bogarde becomes overwrought at times.
For all these faults, the film is shamelessly entertaining and fascinating to watch. It plays like a Shakespearian tragedy at times, and you feel compelled to see it through to the end just to find out the fate of each character.
- JoeytheBrit
- Aug 9, 2007
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In the 30's, while Germany sees the ascension of the Third Reich that destroys their opponents, the powerful and dysfunctional Von Essenbeck family deteriorates after the murder of the patriarch and baron of steel mills.
I am a great fan of Luchino Visconti, and I have seen at least thirteen of his movies. "La Caduta Degli Dei" has not been released in Brazil on VHS or DVD, and years ago I had not the chance to watch it in a movie theater. Yesterday I found an imported VHS and today I have just had a great disappointment, since I really did not like this long movie. I do not know how accurate the historical events might be, but I found it a twisted and messy view of the ascension of the Third Reich, with incest, pedophilia, orgy, rape, mass murder and many other sins. The set decoration and costumes are amazing, like in most of Visconti's movies; the soundtrack is wonderful; and the international cast is fantastic. Unfortunately, the screenplay does not work very well and I do not recommend this feature. My vote is six.
Title (Brazil): "Os Deuses Malditos" ("The Damned Gods")
I am a great fan of Luchino Visconti, and I have seen at least thirteen of his movies. "La Caduta Degli Dei" has not been released in Brazil on VHS or DVD, and years ago I had not the chance to watch it in a movie theater. Yesterday I found an imported VHS and today I have just had a great disappointment, since I really did not like this long movie. I do not know how accurate the historical events might be, but I found it a twisted and messy view of the ascension of the Third Reich, with incest, pedophilia, orgy, rape, mass murder and many other sins. The set decoration and costumes are amazing, like in most of Visconti's movies; the soundtrack is wonderful; and the international cast is fantastic. Unfortunately, the screenplay does not work very well and I do not recommend this feature. My vote is six.
Title (Brazil): "Os Deuses Malditos" ("The Damned Gods")
- claudio_carvalho
- Jun 19, 2009
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Visconti outdid himself on this one! In 'The Damned' we take a long look into the dark world of a perverted German family during Hitler's rise to power. Little bit of everything in this one; treachery, murder, incest, molestation... nothing pretty here, but a fantastic story. Well told and nicely photographed, The Damned is not for the squeamish, but very much worth a look.
This is the second Luchino Visconti film I've seen. The first was Death In Venice, which was absorbing if not disturbing. I will say the man knew how to put on a show.
As I perused the IMDb reviews after I saw the film in its entirety, which was a bit of a chore, the ratings were 9s and 10s all the way. So why am I one of the ones who gives it 7? Perhaps I'm not intellectually equipped enough to get it, or perhaps it's not the masterpiece as hailed. Regardless, it's tailored to fans of the director without a doubt.
My take is that it's a dark fairy tale full of allegory, metaphor, and disillusion. Reviewing this film lends itself to spoilers, and that's not fair. Be certain that if you don't know your history, specifically your German history of the Nazis during the time frame in which the film takes place, you'll be at a guaranteed loss. Luckily, I knew enough to put together the pieces of the puzzle; yet I still had to do some research to solidify the bigger picture.
I totally agree with the reviewer who noted the hair styling is exemplary. I would like to add that most of the cast are beautiful to look at. Unfortunately, I also agree with the reviewer who commented on the overacting.
This is a story about perversion. I found some of it implausible. The film is basically some Italian dude's version of what Germans did during the rise of the Nazi regime. In my opinion, it's formidable and worth one watch if you're a fan of Visconti or Italian cinema in general, but that's where it ends.
I won't watch it again.
As I perused the IMDb reviews after I saw the film in its entirety, which was a bit of a chore, the ratings were 9s and 10s all the way. So why am I one of the ones who gives it 7? Perhaps I'm not intellectually equipped enough to get it, or perhaps it's not the masterpiece as hailed. Regardless, it's tailored to fans of the director without a doubt.
My take is that it's a dark fairy tale full of allegory, metaphor, and disillusion. Reviewing this film lends itself to spoilers, and that's not fair. Be certain that if you don't know your history, specifically your German history of the Nazis during the time frame in which the film takes place, you'll be at a guaranteed loss. Luckily, I knew enough to put together the pieces of the puzzle; yet I still had to do some research to solidify the bigger picture.
I totally agree with the reviewer who noted the hair styling is exemplary. I would like to add that most of the cast are beautiful to look at. Unfortunately, I also agree with the reviewer who commented on the overacting.
This is a story about perversion. I found some of it implausible. The film is basically some Italian dude's version of what Germans did during the rise of the Nazi regime. In my opinion, it's formidable and worth one watch if you're a fan of Visconti or Italian cinema in general, but that's where it ends.
I won't watch it again.
- mollytinkers
- Sep 27, 2023
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- pfgpowell-1
- May 17, 2008
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