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Wood Release?[]

Figured I'd ask first (though someone will probably add it before this gets a response) if the sentient God Trees should be considered users of the Wood Release after the latest chapter. OmegaRasengan (talk) 16:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't respond first. I personally believe this is Wood Release. The Ten-Tails during the Fourth Great War was classified using the Wood Release, so I see no reason to believe these sentient God Trees can't do the same.Steveo920 (talk) 18:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I also agree that the sentient God Trees, but also the Ten Tails' Jinchūriki, should be considered Wood Release users. Why? Because Obito as the Ten Tails' Jinchūriki was not only able to let appear a tree trunk with Rafflesia-like appendages from the ground for using the Bijūdama (thus creating wood from scratch, like Hashirama and Ashura in the Anime), but also shaping the already existing wood at the base of the Ten Tails' tree form into dragon-like entities to attack the Allied Shinobi Forces that tried to cut it down. And Madara as the Ten Tails' Jinchūriki was able to manipulate the already existing roots of the God Tree (aka the Ten Tails' tree form) to bind the victims of the Infinite Tsukuyomi (God: Nativity of a World of Trees). Also, Hashirama, a Wood Release user, recognized said technique as the Jukai Kōtan. Now you might say: nonsense, Wood Release can only be used by combining Water and Earth to create Wood. But: Naruto the Movie: Ninja Clash in the Land of Snow shows the Yukigakure Shinobi using Ice Release techniques by manipulating already existing ice. It may be not a Kekkei Genkai or elemental combination in their case, but nevertheless Ice techniques and thus also Ice Release. Also Earth, Lightning (Sasuke while using Kirin), and especially Water Release users were shown to use already existing components for their elemental transformations to use said techniques instead of creating it in the first place. What I want to say with this: In my opinion, not only the Ten Tails and the sentient God Trees should be considered Wood Release users, but also the God Tree itself (if it had the mind to manipulate the wood it's body is composed of), and Obito and Madara as the Ten Tails' Jinchūriki. And the God: Nativity of a World of Trees should be, based onto my argumentation, considered a Wood Release technique. What do you think?--Kaguya-kimimaro9999 (talk) 22:22, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes. It would also explain how Hashirama's genes were able to enhance the White Zetsus. Because Hashirama's Wood Release was more refined than theirs. Also, at least in the anime, it would explain how Asura first gained the Wood Release himself. He inherited it from his Ten-Tail's Jinchuriki father.Steveo920 (talk) 13:43, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Nope. The movie Ice Release argument is non-sense since that isn't canon to manga and anime. Asura using Wood Release is similarly uncreative non-sense the anime made to make parallels between the reincarnations (need I remind anyone of the anime ignoring Indra's canon MS design?). Obito and Madara could use Wood Release via grafts before being jinchuriki already, so any posterior use can be attributed to that. There was a similar discussion about this already when Obito used Wood Release: Cutting Technique through the Ten-Tails. Prior to databook, general consensus was that Obito was using it though the Ten-Tails, but even after the databook listed Ten-Tails as a user, the text and images in the entry didn't show Ten-Tails' use. We still list the Ten-Tails use, but with the Obito annotation as it never used it by itself. Controlling the body of tailed beast is just that, the body of it being a tree doesn't necessarily make it Wood Release. We also have instances of "elemental" stuff not being nature transformation, like Inorganic Reincarnation, and Inukaitakerunomikoto. White Zetsu having WR can be explained by the simple fact that Madara grew the Hashirama clone attached to the Gedo Statue, where the White Zetsu were "spawned" from. Steveo, you've jumped the gun on this before yourself, back when Claw Grime was its own article, for some reason you added that the Claw Grime becoming a tree when eating someone was somehow a Wood Release ability that Code granted them through his tinkering of them, ignoring that becoming a tree is part of their life cycle. I don't preclude the possibility of what they do being Wood Release, but with the currently available information, this is speculation, because WR in this series is a mess. Let's also not forget the still unexplained WR from Moegi in case Matsuri displays anything for explicit. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. Just asking because I don't want to make mistakes in adding anything.Steveo920 (talk) 02:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

The recent chapter confirmed. I think it’s safe to say all sentient God Trees can use Wood Release. OmegaRasengan (talk) 15:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Gender[]

In Japanese, are gender pronouns used with the sentient God Trees? OmegaRasengan (talk) 17:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

…or not? OmegaRasengan (talk) 16:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Bump. OmegaRasengan (talk) 13:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I guess? Most of the times I see them being referred to with "yatsu" (奴), which is used as much for objects as for people of unspecified gender. The only instance of them being referred to with something gendered is in the latest chapter, where Koji says, literally, "Among them the dangerous one is their leader, a man (男) named Jura". Deppintosh (talk) 16:29, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

"Divine Tree People"[]

Hello

The latest chapter refers to the sentient God Trees as "Divine Tree People". Looking at the raws, we can see that it's written as a boldened 人神樹 (reading: Hitoshinju), whose more accurate translation would probably be "Human God Trees" (see picture below). This should mean that 人神樹 is supposed to be their name as a "species", right? To me, this would warrant the creation of a dedicated page. What do you guys think? Deppintosh (talk) 12:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not against this, although I do wonder since we don't really have a "Species" category; because we have an Animals one, I think that it might be unnecessary to make a new one. Maybe renaming the Animals category? The "Human God Trees" are not the only humanoid species that we have in the franchise, the White Zetsu, Ōtsutsuki, etc. (?) But back to the topic, again I'm not against this suggestion, but I do think this shouldn't be under the "Naruto Terms" category if others are agreement of this potential article. OmegaRasengan (talk) 16:51, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Bump. OmegaRasengan (talk) 14:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Bump, more input please. OmegaRasengan (talk) 18:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Just want to underline that the latest chapter also went for "Human God Trees", instead of just "God Trees". Deppintosh (talk) 07:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

One last bump. OmegaRasengan (talk) 04:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I didn't catch this conversation since I haven't been very active on the wiki lately, but I've been in favor of a species category and page for almost a year now, since the Divine Tree People were first introduced, simply because we're now at the point where there are multiple different species in prominent story positions. I don't know that every species needs its own article but certainly some should have them, and others can probably be relegated to a subsection on the species page. Some rough ideas:

Cosmic Species

Gods (神, Kami): Ancient, almighty beings said to have once created worlds using Omnipotence.

Celestial Beings (天津人, Amatsubito) aka Ōtsutsuki Clan

Divine Trees (神樹, Shinju)
- Ten Tails (十尾, Jūbi)
  - Fission Beings (分裂体, Bunretsutai)
  - White Servants (白き従者, Shiroki Jūsha) aka White Zetsu Army
  - Black Zetsu
  - Tailed Beasts (尾獣, Bijū)
  - Claw Grime (爪アカ, Tsumeaka)
  - Human Divine Trees (人神樹, Hitoshinju)

Terrestrial Species

Humans (人間, Ningen)
- Synthetic Humans (人造人間, Jinzōningen)
  - Clones (クローン, Kurōn)
  - Fabrications (ツクラレ, Tsukurare)
- Modified Humans (改造人間, Kaizōningen)
  - Human Puppets (人傀儡, Hitokugutsu)

Animals
- Ninja Dogs
- Ninja Cats
- Summoned Animals
  - Toads
  - Snakes
  - Slugs
  - etc.

Chthonic Species

Reaper (死神, Shinigami)
King of Hell (冥府の王, Meifu no Ō)

When you lay it out like this it really becomes obvious just how many species there are in the series, and you could divide it even further in some cases. FF-Suzaku (talk) 00:21, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Now that you bring it up, non-chakra clones probably could/should have a page as well. Though at the moment, I do think the White Zetsu Army and Ōtsutsuki Clan pages should also be categorized as a Species instead of creating separate pages for them. OmegaRasengan (talk) 15:18, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Thornsoul[]

should we add something about what happened at the end of last chapter about how a god tree can be created and brought back to life by those soul Bulbs( I'm not sure if this is a Jutsu btw, but it seems to be something they can do and whoever the new one is they should be a rama net of the ten tails seedling), also I'm not good with military time ? (talk) 22:29, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Thornsouls should probably have their own article now. Clearly they'll be fleshed out more and more moving forward. By the way, just put four tildes (~) at the end of your message to sigh it. No need to do so manually. Munchvtec (talk) 19:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

We should wait and see what else these Thornsouls are. They just seem to be just seeds of the sentient God Trees and that’s literally all we know. And please learn how to sign your replies. OmegaRasengan (talk) 18:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)