Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests

If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct method if you tried to move a page, but you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons:..." or "The/This page could not be moved, for the following reason:..."

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• Hermoton (currently a redirect to Hermaion) → Hermaion (move · discuss) – "Hermaion" and "Hermoton" are thought to be the same place, but "Hermaion" is the name found in the older and more detailed sources, so that's the main form used in the article. "Hermaion" is currently a redirect to "Hermoton", and is blocking the move. Would have requested this sooner, but held off on page move while the article was at AfD. P Aculeius (talk) 20:58, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Stephen Kirk (handballer) (currently a redirect to Stephen Kirk) → Stephen Kirk (move · discuss) – Steve Kirk (disambiguation) currently lists only two articles: Steve Kirk and Stephen Kirk (handballer). Rather than using a pointless disambiguation page, it'd be much better to move Stephen Kirk (handballer) to Stephen Kirk and add an {{about}} hatnote for each article saying "For the footballer/handballer, see Steve/Stephen Kirk". Sock (tock talk) 20:16, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Piquerobi (cacique) → Piquerobi (move · discuss) – That is the main topic. RodRabelo7 (talk) 19:11, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Some notes with further thoughts: the Brazilian municipality occupied the primary title until four minutes before this request was submitted. A review of the pageviews suggests that the cacique's page has generally had more monthly views (42 vs. 21 on average) since it entered mainspace about a year and a half ago. I have no strong opinion on the proposed move myself; my goal in posting this information is mainly to provide other page movers with easy access to the information they might need to form an opinion themselves. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 20:09, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

   Comment: ModernDayTrilobite, also the 3,700-inhabitant municipality is ultimately named after the cacique, not the other way around. But thanks for the notes. RodRabelo7 (talk) 20:34, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Draft:Dragon Ball Z: Shin Butōden (currently a redirect to Dragon Ball Z: Shin Butōden) → Dragon Ball Z: Shin Butōden (move · discuss) – This draft is a new version of the article ready for publication. The current redirect was formerly an article, so I feel the edit histories should be merged for continuity. BOZ (talk) 02:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• George Selwyn (bishop of Lichfield) (currently a redirect to George Selwyn (Bishop of New Zealand)) → George Selwyn (bishop of New Zealand) (currently a redirect instead to George Selwyn (Bishop of New Zealand)) (move · discuss) – Primary source of notability seems to be for his NZ role. ITBF (talk) 04:05, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Adesmiella cordipicta (currently a redirect to Adesmiella) → Adesmiella (move · discuss) – WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA jlwoodwa (talk) 06:56, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Carphania fluviatilis (currently a redirect to Carphania) → Carphania (move · discuss) – WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA jlwoodwa (talk) 07:01, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Dipylidium caninum → Dipylidium (currently a redirect back to Dipylidium caninum) (move · discuss) – WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA jlwoodwa (talk) 07:03, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Korsaranthus natalensis (currently a redirect to Korsaranthus) → Korsaranthus (move · discuss) – WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA jlwoodwa (talk) 07:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Metagonimoides oregonensis (currently a redirect to Metagonimoides) → Metagonimoides (move · discuss) – WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA jlwoodwa (talk) 07:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Myleusnema bicornis → Myleusnema (currently a redirect instead to Kathlaniidae) (move · discuss) – WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA jlwoodwa (talk) 07:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Riftia pachyptila (currently a redirect to Riftia) → Riftia (move · discuss) – WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA jlwoodwa (talk) 07:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Tasmanipatus barretti (currently a redirect to Tasmanipatus) → Tasmanipatus (move · discuss) – WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA jlwoodwa (talk) 07:28, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Real-time → Real time (currently a redirect back to Real-time) (move · discuss) – Titles must be nouns, not modifiers; disambiguation page and redirect are backwards. Stephan Leeds (talk) 06:12, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Stephan Leeds (talk) 06:12, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't understand this rationale at all. Almost everything on this page appears to use a hyphenated real-time and the page should simply reflect what the articles being linked to use. SnowFire (talk) 06:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • The reason almost everything on the page uses hyphenation is that none of those listed titles use only those two words to refer to their subjects; the words are always being used as a compound modifier of some noun. Indeed, none of those articles are about real time itself; they are all about something that involves real time. It is a WP:set index article, not a disambiguation page; none of those topics are referred to simply as "real-time" or "real time". None of those listed examples are about the topic itself. See also Talk:Real-time#the troublesome hyphen. I agree that the hyphen should be removed. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 14:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't think set-index articles are that different from disambiguation pages, ultimately. If almost all the terms are done in one style, the page should match that style. I'd rather have the full discussion. SnowFire (talk) 23:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
        • FYI, I submitted an RM for the hyphenless outlier Real time Java. (I also submitted one for Livestreaming.) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:53, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

        All article titles are required to be nouns. Real-time is not a noun. Real time is the noun, therefore that’s the correct title. Stephan Leeds (talk) 04:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

        • This doesn't sound right. Wonderful is an adjective but has a disambiguation page for uses of specifically "Wonderful". It sounds like you think that all of these usages should be moved to the Wonder disambiguation page instead, the noun form? Is that accurate, or am I misreading you? SnowFire (talk) 19:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
          • When it is the name of an album, a song, or a band, Wonderful is a noun. "Real-time" is not used as the name of anything. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:01, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
            • I guess I picked a bad example, but suppose for the sake of argument that there were articles titled "Wonderful computing", "Wonderful clock", "Wonderful Control System" about clocks filled with wonder etc. It seems like those might be valid to place at the Wonderful disambig page, not the Wonder disambig page. But that's just me. SnowFire (talk) 23:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
              • That's part of what was bugging me about this page in the first place. I thought the topics shouldn't be listed there, since they were only WP:PTMs, but then I noticed it was a set-index article rather than a disambiguation page. I'm still not convinced the article should exist. It's sort of an expanded WP:DICTDEF more than anything else. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:08, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

following this discussion, I have merged Real-time (disambiguation) into Real-time. I think given that, the page could now be moved to Real time, as a more "natural" noun title without the hyphen, but others may disagre...  — Amakuru (talk) 10:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The result is a disambiguation page that includes a lot of WP:PTM topics – things that involve the concept of real time, but are not themselves called "real time" (or "real-time"). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• MonsterVerse (currently a redirect to Monsterverse) → Monsterverse (move · discuss) – The official title is Monsterverse with a lower case "v" as seen on the page's official Twitter as well as when written out in the Legendary Shop items. The confusion stems from the logo design. 96.41.36.145 (talk) 17:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple sources in the article use the uppercase v. Twitter is (usually) not a valid source. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 02:11, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Steel Lake (Washington) → Steel Lake (move · discuss) – Also move page currently at Steel Lake to Steel Lake (disambiguation). The Washington lake is much more notable than the Ontario lake, and should occupy the primary title. DirtyHarry991 (talk) 05:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm not sure this is totally obvious... Until recently the ontario one was the only article and sat at the Base name. And the Canadian one is vastly bigger than the Washington one. Obvuously the latter is in an urban area though, so will naturally attract more interest I'd say probably a disambiguation page is fine for now.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:19, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per concern raised above. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 02:11, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Konštrukta-Defence (currently a redirect to Konštrukta – Defence) → KONŠTRUKTA – Defence (restricted by the titleblacklist, which page movers can override) (move · discuss) – Correct name from company website. Gedditor (talk) 15:52, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, see MOS:ALLCAPS. 162 etc. (talk) 17:42, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose for the same reason, but the hyphen/dash in the article title may or may not need to be fixed. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 18:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Jupiter's Legacy (comic) → Jupiter's Legacy (move · discuss) – Unnecessary disambiguation with television show. Comic book series is primary topic, and television show was cancelled after one season. Ghosfiero (talk) 14:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC) Ghosfiero (talk) 14:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I will humbly disagree. Per WP:NTEMP, notability is not temporary and the short tenure of the TV show does not make it less notable. So the comic is not necessarily the primary topic. Also, WP:NTV places no importance on how long a show lasted. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:12, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• La Libertad (Álvaro Soler song) (currently a redirect to La Libertad (song)) → La libertad (Álvaro Soler song) (currently a redirect instead to La Libertad (song)) (move · discuss) – correct capitalization of a Spanish-language title Alienautic (talk) 14:44, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @Alienautic: MOS:FOREIGNTITLE says Capitalization in foreign-language titles varies, even over time within the same language. Retain the style of the original for modern works. It appears that all of the sources in the article use La Libertad. So the current title seems appropriate. SilverLocust 💬 06:24, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Al-Mu'jam al-Kabir (Al-Tabarani) → Al-Mu'jam al-Kabir (move · discuss) – Revert undiscussed move by the user إيان. This is a Azezlvi (talk) 5:46, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

The page has been at this name for over a year please start a discussion per WP:TITLECHANGES Lightoil (talk) 04:29, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]