User talk:Kid299

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June 2018

Hello, I'm Hayman30. I noticed that you made one or more changes to an article, Lonely Together (Avicii song), but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Hayman30 (talk) 05:30, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

July 2018

Please refrain from changing genres, as you did to Tonight (I'm Lovin' You), without providing a source or establishing a consensus on the article's talk page first. Genre changes to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 04:29, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to change genres without discussion or sources, as you did at Butthole Surfers, you may be blocked from editing. Rob van vee 05:42, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you change genres in pages without discussion or sources, as you did at Still Alive. Binksternet (talk) 17:30, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you change genres in pages without discussion or sources, as you did at Papercut (Zedd song). Binksternet (talk) 04:19, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Papercut genre

So do you mind sharing how you arrived at Papercut (Zedd song) not being synth-pop, despite the reviewer calling it that? Can you share how you determined that the song is "ambient house, progressive trance, dance-pop"? Because genres are subjective, and they require a reliable source. Binksternet (talk) 05:34, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I can tell you how the song is those three genres. The song has a melody that is equivalent to ambient, trance, and house music. The song's beat resembles acid house style beats, indicating that the ambient and house part of the song is the fusion genre ambient house, which takes inspiration from acid house as well as ambient and standard house music. The song is also quite progressive with the growing and slow paced verses, bridges and choruses over a 7 minute song. This is used for the trance part of the song, giving the song the style of progressive trance. Despite all of that, the song's beat and melody are pretty poppy and danceable, making the song also have a dance-pop style. Kid299 (talk) 06:10, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As stated by Binksternet, your view is subjective and as such, all additions need to be reliably sourced. To be honest much of what you have added to this point requires some scrutiny. Rob van vee 06:45, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think music genres are subjective depending on the context. I think when it comes to music genres, technicality and specifics matter more then your point of view or someone else's point of view. I don't think specifics matter when talking about something more casually. Someone in a conversation could simply call Papercut EDM and I wouldn't care. But when it comes to encyclopedia's, details matter. That's why I think looking into the songs composition is the best way to find out the genre of the music. Music genres are still kind of subjective, but they still have differences from one another in terms of style, instrumentation and even the way it uses music theory. Kid299 (talk) 07:28, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But when it comes to encyclopedia's, details matter. Quite right, and as such there certain measures in place to ensure this. One of those is that your edits are original research unless reliably sourced as is the case with the argument you present. Reviews by reputable critics published in reliable, independent 3rd party publications that specifically make mention of genre's in relation to an entire album or song are considered acceptable. Not the personal opinion and/or assessment of an editor. Rob van vee 11:44, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why is original research bad on Wikipedia? I think original research would be better on Wikipedia, since you finding stuff out on your own would probably make for better accuracy. Kid299 (talk) 17:10, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please read it if you haven't yet. No original research! Rob van vee 17:42, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

July 2018

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 31 hours for persistently making disruptive edits. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Ronhjones ^(Talk) 01:39, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for persistently making disruptive edits. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

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Please unblock

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Kid299 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I don't feel like I did that much damage and I don't think I made that many disruptive edits Kid299 (talk) 19:15, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

You were disruptive by changing genres without sources, and doing so after several warnings not to. To be unblocked early you will need to admit that you acted improperly, which you have not done here. I am declining this request. 331dot (talk) 20:09, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm sorry

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Request reason:

I'm sorry for making disruptive edits by changing genres without sources and I feel like I will not do that again Kid299 (talk) 20:15, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

We need more than your feelings to make sure this won't happen again. How exactly will you change your behaviour such that we can be sure it will never happen again? Yamla (talk) 21:40, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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How I will get better

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Request reason:

When I see a song or genre page, I will leave the genres in the infobox alone unless something really does need to be changed. If I do change the genres, I will add a source and make sure it's a reliable one Kid299 (talk) 21:45, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Accept reason:

I'll unblock you on the condition that all future changes to genres need to be reliably sourced. PhilKnight (talk) 23:20, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ronhjones:- would you object to an unblock? PhilKnight (talk) 23:07, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@PhilKnight: Fine by me. I will add that I know that changing genres is a hotly monitored item, by a huge number of editors - there has been so much genre warring in the past, it's always coming up at WP:AIV. The user needs to know that any change to genres will be seen very quickly, if he sticks to his request and supplies a reliable source, then it should go well. Ronhjones ^(Talk) 23:16, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reblocked

You promised you would leave the genres in infoboxes alone unless you added a source and made sure it's reliable. As soon as you were unblocked, you did this and this and this, changing genres without bothering to add a source, let alone a reliable source. Unless I've very much missed something, this is very specifically what you promised you would not do. As you have demonstrated we can't trust you, I have reblocked you. This time, indefinitely. If you can show where you added a source in those three edits, any admin is welcome to unblock you. I don't see any sources in your edits, though, and this would be pretty hard to miss. --Yamla (talk) 01:02, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unfair blocking

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Request reason:

I feel like my most recent block was very unfair. What got me blocked was changing the infoboxes of Style, Sugar and neofolk, which the user claimed was changing genres without a source. Here is what I actually did. On Style and Sugar, I simply redirected the genre funk-pop to a redirect page that redirects to funk without changing the genre. This should not count as changing a genre without a source. On neofolk, what I did with the infobox was I rearranged the genres in stylistic origins in a different order, not changing the genres at all and I differently would not need a source for changing the order. Kid299 (talk) 01:58, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

I concur with Yamla's block. You immediately did, after being unblocked, what you said you would not do. At this point, in my opinion you will need to agree to some form of topic ban, be it banned from changing genres at all or from editing articles about songs/musicians at all, in order to be unblocked. I am declining this request. 331dot (talk) 19:57, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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He said changing genres. I didn't change the genres and I didn't need a source for those edits. I simply changed the links to a redirect page while still meaning the same thing and on one of them I didn't even do that. I noticed how "funk-pop" was being used on quite a few articles so I created a redirect for funk-pop to the funk music. While I did merge the link into one link, I still didn't change the genre. It was still funk-pop and it meant the same thing and was the same genre, a fusion of pop music and funk. Also I'm still baffled and confused on how simply changing the order of the genres in the infobox counts as disruptive editing and I would really like to know how. Point is, when I said I wouldn't change genres without a source, I didn't know what I meant to you and what you wanted me to do was not do anything to the infobox without adding a citation (even if I don't need it (like changing the position of links in the infobox)). Kid299 (talk) 20:18, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You most definitely did. It used to list the music in the genre of pop music, with a link to funk and a link to pop. With your change, it's only listed in funkk music, not in pop music. You quite clearly said you would leave the genres alone unless something really needed to be changed, but... ignored that promise. You said you'd add a reliable source, yet didn't add any source at all. --Yamla (talk) 20:23, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Kid299 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Fine. I am sorry. I understand. It would make more sense to list both pop music and funk. I didn't know. I won't do that ever again and unblocking again would be appreciated. I just feel like my given promise should have been a little more specific. Although I still don't understand how changing the order of the stylistic origins list in the infobox of neofolk counts as changing genres. Kid299 (talk) 20:36, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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