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I see you've been editing this a lot, so you have an interest in it. I cannot devise a scenario where MSU does not get a first round bye if Indiana loses to Iowa tonight. Even if MSU finishes tied with Indiana at 11-7, MSU will go 1-1 or better against the other teams that can finish ahead of MSU, while Indiana is going to finish 0-1 against Wisconsin. It seems like that's going to mean that even if MSU ties Indiana at 11-7, no matter how you scramble things, MSU will finish ahead of Indiana for the 4th seed and the bye. MrArticleOne (talk) 22:51, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Purdue and Northwestern can still overtake Wisconsin, and if either Illinois or Minnesota or both of them tie with Wisconsin, some tiebreakers can tilt in Indiana's favor. Iowa can still overtake Wisconsin as well, but the tiebreaker will favor MSU. Great50 (talk) 23:42, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure how this affects whether MSU could get a bye. For MSU to miss out on a bye, 4 teams have to finish ahead of MSU. The only teams that can finish ahead of MSU in the standings are OSU, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Indiana and Purdue could get into a tie with MSU. The rest of the league cannot catch MSU and so they don't factor into whether MSU can get a bye at the Big Ten Tournament. Purdue is out because MSU is 2-0 against Purdue. If Indiana loses tonight but ties MSU at 11-7, MSU and Indiana will have gone 1-1 against each other. The next tiebreaker is comparing their finish against the teams in descending order of finish, and I am just not seeing how that will favor Indiana. MSU will be at worst 1-1 against OSU, 1-1 against Michigan, and 2-0 against Wisconsin. Indiana will be at best 1-1 against OSU, 1-1 against Michigan, and 0-1 against Wisconsin. MrArticleOne (talk) 00:11, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What is your source for the scenarios. If Michigan wins they get a bye regardless of Indiana. Indiana can not get 12 wins, which Michigan will have with a win.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:33, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You removed Michigan from the 2012 NIT page saying that since they were co champions then all the co champions receive auto bids, that is not true. The NIT defaults to the #1 seed in the conference tournament as the team that gets the auto bid if they loss. A few years ago, the WAC had a 4 way tie for first. Utah State was the #1 seed and didn't win thus they got auto bid to NIT, not all 3 that didn't win the tournament. So it doesn't matter because Michigan is going to the NCAA's anyway, but they were the #3 seed thus wouldn't get the auto bid, Michigan state as the #1 seed would, but they are going to the NCAA's as well. Just thought I'd let you know for future reference that its not all co champions that get nit auto bids, just the #1 seed. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 03:21, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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