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TfD nomination of Template:Abuse

Template:Abuse has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Joie de Vivre 15:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There is nothing wrong with having this in an encyclopedia, and in fact, it is a very real and disturbing fact of life. Just because someone may be offended, or have been victimized in relation to the topic at hand, that does not mean it should be removed. Mzanime 02:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Incest is not necessarily abuse

The definition now reads:

Sexual abuse (also referred to as molestation) is defined as the forcing of undesired sexual acts by one person to another. The term incest is defined as sexual abuse between family members, and the euphemism "bad touch" is sometimes used to describe such abuse.(Renvoizé 1982)

But when you look at the definition of incest it does not include the use of force. Here in Germany we have a brother and sister who are parents of common children before the Supreme Court fighting for their right to consensual incest. How can we fix this paragraph? It isn't right the other way around, either: "Sexual abuse between family members is called incest" would be equally wrong since incest requires some sort of intercourse not just verbal molestation. Did Renvoizé coin the term "bad touch" for incest or for sexual abuse or their common denominator? Why is it a euphemism? Sounds pretty bad to me: Roman Czyborra 09:56, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Difference?

What's the difference between rape and molestation? TwistedRed (talk) 03:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article lists rape as only one of several kinds of molestation/sexual abuse. However, based upon the way this articles introduces the definition of sexual abuse, it would seem to only be describing rape. I think this may need to be worked out to make this article more consistant, either by expanding the original definition, or not including these other forms.
I believe the reason this confusion exists is because the introduction is largely drawn from the word 'molestation' which has a more specific use, whereas 'sexual abuse' is a more broad term. Molestation refers to bothering people with things they do not want ('molest' sounds a lot like a worse form of 'pester' to me, I dunno) often seen in terms of the person's reactions to someone's behaviours, whereas sexual abuse is a more neutral and objective sort of reference which refers to morality in terms of sexual conduct. You can see this specifically be removing the prefix and looking at abuse which is probably a very interpretable sort of word.
It is perhaps not the best to have had these articles merged. I believe it is possible to use the word 'molest' similar to the word accost whereas even though it generally is used in reference to sexual situations, it can have asexual uses too, and an article should address all of these meanings rather than only identify the most popular one. It is fine to identify the most popular one the most prominently, but not to exclusion.
For example, one of the three forms of sexual abuse mentioned is "The use of a position of trust for sexual purposes". However, this would not always fit within the context of 'forcing unwanted sexual acts' as the article describes. Society commonly refers to abusing positions as trust as sexual abuse and still frequently disdains it (especially in the case of men doing it) even when it is not forced, and when it is wanted. Tyciol (talk) 00:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Picture question

Where are all the pictures? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.234.232.90 (talk) 15:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Undue focus?

Currently the section regarding sexual abuse of children/minors is larger than the introductory paragraph explaining the true meaning of the term. Not only that, but it's supposed to be a mere summary of a different article being redirected to. I think either this needs to be cut down a little bit or else we need to build this article bigger so that it's not overpowred by this subsection. Tyciol (talk) 07:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion of this article is a good idea; there is a lot of information that can be added and references on this topic are plentiful. The child sexual abuse section is appropriate in length for a section linked to a main article and should not be reduced. --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 16:22, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

where are the pics

Another Section

Would a section for occupational/academic sexual misconduct be appropriate? I am referring to for instance a college professor using their position to gain sexual favors from students, or a boss doing the same with employees.Legitimus (talk) 18:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Detuh

She was killed by a hitman named Jordan Mays —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.39.19.61 (talk) 14:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added to the see also list.

Mild Sexual Abuse

Did you, as a child have parents who insisted you kiss/hug them, or that you kiss/hug them or your grandparents? And when you protested you were told that "It's no big deal." or "you're overeacting." Would this be a form of sexual abuse? This happened to me The snare (talk) 20:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]