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This is my 4th AFD nomination of this page going back 12 years. A vanity page. NOTHING at all notable that I can see. Only a low level amateur sportsman. Is the interview at http://www.elmensu.com/2022/01/20/sera-incluido-en-un-libro-inedito/ a reliable source? I don't read Spanish, but just seems like more ego boosting from a "novelty and peculiarity" than anything actually notable. The-Pope (talk) 12:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep 12 years ago, not my problem or responsibility, no depend on me, when the subject is important to PGY Football from 2020 and on, before 2020 is not my responsibility and 12 years ago much less my responsibilibity. Actualize you self with current time, my friend. I'm incharge of growth of PGY Football and PGY Edits. Where is your contribution to PGY Topic? User:Rojodiablcerrocerrocerro 13:21, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lelo, as I assume from the level of detail int he article that you are either Lelo or have him sitting next to you telling you what to write, you need to read WP:COI to realise that NO ONE is in charge of any topic here. BTW, I've removed the "athletics" section, as the performances listed are not even at junior girls level. We only write articles about people who are actually notable, not those who believe that they are notable themselves. The-Pope (talk) 13:59, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Page is Important to PGY Football on year 2020 and forward, before this is NO my responsibility, and The subject has record of long presence in CONMEBOL as Oceania Footballer and is important to Football in PGY I'm in charge of PGY Football Portal and PGY Articles, and your contribution? Eike nde revikuape nde tembo. User:Rojodiablcerrocerrocerro 14:05, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are TEMBO User:Rojodiablcerrocerrocerro 14:14, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The-Pope is PUTO. Stayaway from Paraguay Articles you never edited Paraguay before. Puto. Inutil. Infeliz.User:Rojodiablcerrocerrocerro 16:04, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I've significantly cleaned up the article, removing puffery and unnecessary details. I don't have a stance whether the article should remain or not, though. Nehme1499 18:35, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Can someone explain to me what this person's career is actually like? Apparently he's been in Paraguayan soccer for several years, except he has been frequently injured, only appeared in five games (none in the top division of the soccer leagues there) and never scored a goal, and has never even received a salary from any club in the country? In terms of involvement in the top level of sport, on a scale somewhere between Lionel Messi and an amateur who occasionally plays in a friendly game of soccer, where would this person appear? I don't literally need an answer to that question, but he seems to be closer to the latter, as attested by the statement, "While playing in Paraguay, Sejean never received a salary from any club, and was held to cover his economic necessities by sports sponsorships, confessing in 2020 that his sponsors provided food for him when he experienced hunger, and through streams of labour, as English teaching at schools in Asunción and Ciudad del Este, acting as an English Communicator for Asunción club Deportivo Recoleta by or during 2020, modelling, and working at a milk bar." An athlete who doesn't earn enough money (or have sufficient food provided by his team) to avoid hunger is probably very far from being a notable athlete. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:12, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: I agree with the nominator, the article is about a person who does not meet the required notability. Most of the clubs he played for plays in the lower divisions and he has not played for any national team.--Sakiv (talk) 21:51, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The content is notable for 1 - longest presence as non CONMEBOL foreigner in PGY of all of the nationalities a part from CONMEBOL and 2 - is longest presence of his continent in all of CONMEBOL. The content is notable of 2020 and on, before this is not my responsibility cause DRAFT: page was prepared for this in 2020 I am a good editor and most of my time is in expanding PGY Topics and Football in PGY or you want do it for me? Avisame amigo User:Rojodiablcerrocerrocerro 00:19, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
Neither points are covered by WP:NFOOTY; WP:GNG needs to be demonstrated (which maybe it is, maybe not?). Nehme1499 00:48, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep it's been only 2 months since the last AFD, which had a consensus to keep. He hasn't become less notable in that time, and the article is better than it was then (as some of the rubbish content has been removed). Joseph2302 (talk) 09:11, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (unfortunately). Seems to me that the subject easily fails NFOOTBALL or any NSPORT, and fails GNG on the basis of any sport. However, they do seem to get a lot of coverage, rightly or wrongly. The coverage has also been sustained and broad. And, when the subject appears in mainstream IRS like the SBS one has to think twice about the subject's notability. WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not grounds for deletion. The article still needs some clean up, and some of the statements are exaggerated, but not enough for TNT, and AfD is not CLEANUP. So in my view the subject does pass general notability hence keep. (But no, I do not like the article as it stands.) Aoziwe (talk) 11:34, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Aoziwe:, you should actually look at those sources, though. It's an impressive-looking list at first glance. None of the sources qualify as reliable. It's all smoke and mirrors. Fred Zepelin (talk) 16:46, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and rereapply the salt. GNG is "not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article." even if there is a pass of GNG which I dispute. What sources are actually good for GNG? Let's have a look at what we have here. An unpaid football player without much of the playing bit. A less successful Carlos Kaiser? At least Kaiser was paid for not playing. Who did Sejean play for? Club Deportivo Sol del Este? The only one he had more than 1 game with? Look at the game photo. Top level there. Funny how he "began suffering from inflammation in the aquilian tendons due to excessive use" after managing to appear in one game. Brags about his athletics ability, competing as an "elite javelin thrower" [1], throwing a massive best of 36m. That's good enough to qualify for the Australian Championships. Well, for Under 14s that is. Source gets worse. "Sejean also hopes for a green and gold debut when Australia plays in the 2020 Copa America in June." I'm also not good enough to play professionally, perhaps I'll get to debut next time they play in Australia. An absolute junk source like so much of what is out there. Let's look at the SBS source mentioned above. "competes in elite athletics in Paraguay, with javelin and long jump." [2]. So another one with a total lack of any fact checking, so not a reliable source. Just a throwaway feel good piece based entirely on what he is saying. How about the ones Joseph linked in the last afd. The Geelong piece is a puff piece look what this local is doing from the same terrible Geelong Indy rag as above. The other two are promo pieces from a site showing no sign of being an independent reliable source. Who are they, who wrote these pieces? Are there any good sources? What sources are out there. Lots of barely watched videos of him training or of him failing to break world records. Lots of non-reliable sources based on things he has said. This is just a self-promoter with no significant achievements who occasionally gets lazy journos to reproduce his claims unchecked. How about the gallery of him standing alone in empty fields, posing outside closed stadiums? Makes him look even less noteworthy. Why so many SPAs on commons dedicated to posting pictures of him training alone. Salt again due to the long history of socks, ownership and attacks and the bad faithed gaming of the system by restarting the page at a different title to avoid salt. duffbeerforme (talk) 06:20, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
duffbeerforme As I said above, I do not like it either, but I do not think it can be discounted. I have done a bit of pruning of content (unreliable primary IMO) based on interviews, but there is still more than would leave me feeling comfortable changing at this point. Aoziwe (talk) 11:49, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS For us to simply dismiss what would normally be regarded as a very reliable and independent source such as the SBS as lazy journalism without some independent evidence to that effect, I fear would make us no better than the delete opinion needs to assert about the standing of this article. Aoziwe (talk) 12:37, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per all of the arguments in the above delete votes. This is an impressive list of unreliable sources, and it took a lot of time to build, so I suspect someone is paying someone to make this subject look as notable as possible, but I agree with the editors above - just doesn't meet WP:GNG. Fred Zepelin (talk) 06:51, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
His acting and modelling career is even more farcical. Is there any reliable source connecting him with this 'Elijah Sejean' bloke? Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 08:44, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
None at all that I can find, so I have removed it. Aoziwe (talk) 12:24, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete fails GNG - looking through the sources, none of them meet the requirements. BilledMammal (talk) 15:40, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. With Calm, and as Creator of Page in 2020, and read the claim for Deletion, I sympathize in part, cause when I create New Pages of PGY Footballers or Footballers in PGY, the first information I search of a footballer is - Transfermarket - FBRef - Football Data Base - Soccerway - Cero a Cero, and how can you have Profile of Transfmarkt, FBRef, Football Data Base, if you play in the PGY Asenscion Leagues? But, is why, because of unsure, I created DRAFT Pages for Elie Charbel Lelo Sejean and Marcos Caballero on 2020, and on 2020 and Forward was both very Important to PGY Football, and both Pages approved and stay with reason and motive of Notability. Marcos Caballero was deleted in past but I recreated and more convincingly. In response, I say you, I dedicate my time to expand the PGY Football topics and PGY topics in all areas, and see all my edits and you say me good edits. In current page, the item has all important information removed by user Nehme1499 (talk · contribs), and now is unnotable. But I repeat is important to PGY Football as Long Foreign Footballer in Continent and is important to Ciudad del Este just on the grounds that Marcos Caballero is important and a figure to Sportivo Ameliano and the PGY Ascension Leagues. And is Football and not Soccer, and is Elie Charbel Lelo Sejean and not Lelo Sejean. Check with the Asociación Paraguaya de Fútbol entonces Rojodiablcerrocerrocerro (talk · contribs)
Much like the article and its REFBOMB list itself, this is a lot of text that does nothing to establish notability. I'd encourage whoever reviews this discussion to notice that the references are all fluff. The Keep votes have ignored this -- the Delete votes have pointed it out. Fred Zepelin (talk) 02:41, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I repeat you that I sympathize and I understand you. Thank you Fred Zepelin (talk · contribs), for your seriousness on this theme and for no insulting my edits cause I am apenas using google translate and copying other english wording, now is in the hands of the reviewer.Rojodiablcerrocerrocerro (talk · contribs)
I agree with The-Pope that you are either Lelo or have him sitting next to you telling you what to write. Fred Zepelin (talk) 02:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Soy PARAGUAYO hdp así que eike la nde revikuãpe tembolo jajajajaa Rojodiablcerrocerrocerro (talk · contribs)
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