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I know this can't be listed because it's personal research, but I think it could be an interesting discussion. I'm pretty bad at classifying singers, but I'm pretty sure he's a tenor? His range, from what I've heard and attempted to measure, is C2 (in "Goodbye" - it's probably not really that low, though) up to Eb6 (in "Dedication").

Also, this article mentions his soprano voice. I'm pretty sure his high notes are in falsetto (just listen to Onepa #1 Asian version and compare it to the European voice. It's the exact same, but you can clearly hear that one sounds like the 'uglyness' was just edited out of the flasetto), correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're using your falsetto, wouldn't you be a countertenor or falsettist? 69.160.116.44 07:07, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The really croaky low note in Good-Bye? I'm pretty sure it's in the 1st octave, and I believe it is his lowest note (although it is vocal fry). He has also hit D2 in full voice in a live TV performance of Poplar (original version). He has some pretty low notes at the start of Wax Figures too, but they're somewhat whispery and it's very difficult to pitch a whisper accurately. That lovely clean E♭6 in Dedication is nice and easy to identify. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 20:36, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can't call someone a falsetto, someone can be "singing falsetto" but it would be a soprano voice.

Vitas' range is clearly above tenor, so countertenor/male alto is a better term to use. I would not say "soprano voice" is wrong, but it's quite easy to cause confusion.

Vitas' range is very rare for a male but also very real. His high voice range can be classified as countertenor or a male sopranist. Both are accurate discriptions of his amazing talent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TXRanger (talk • contribs) 23:21, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe he is a natural tenor, and since he also sings in the soprano range he is a countertenor; the latter term is perhaps more often used of him because it describes a rarer voice classification. Perhaps a new term should be invented for him, since he often uses tenor and countertenor ranges in the same song with (arguably) equal proficiency. He also sometimes uses a baritone range. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 07:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could this be used as citation? http://themoscownews.com/arts/20130528/191554481/Dolphin-voice-prince-Vitas-facing-criminal-probe.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faolind (talk • contribs) 17:49, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think Anna Arutunyan of The Moscow News qualifies as a reliable source for Vitas' vocal range. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I find appalling that the article itself doesn't mention his vocal range. This is what he is known for. Calling him a soprano seems bizarre, since he also sings in a tenor range. I would say he is a falsettist. I see no reason why one would not trust a Muscovite columnist about his range. It's not like this is a political propaganda thing that would be likely distorted. He's a Russian singer, so Russians would be most likely to know his range. Russians are very serious about music. This a bit like a sports statistic. In any case, I can't access the link to the Moscow publication from my computer. I found one Youtube video that claims he can sing to E7, but it could be that that person is confused about what E7 actually is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"In March 2003 he also gave 264 solo concerts including in Russia, Australia, USA..." Should this be reworded? It kind of seems that it's saying he did 264 concerts in the month of March. That would be almost 9 shows a night. 69.160.116.44 07:07, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I came across exactly the same wording on another web page. I don't think any of it was originally written in English, and the translation left a lot to be desired. I'm not sure exactly what was meant either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Contains Mild Peril (talk • contribs) 08:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it meant as of March 2003. But I agree, it was not originally in English, so not sure exactly. But that makes more sense. Vitasfan (talk) 04:27, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Falsetto is NOT the same as HEAD VOICE. Head voice is not whistle register either. It's a different register, and engages different muscles. The progression is chest, mix, head, and whistle. If falsetto and head voice were synonymous, Wikipedia would not have two different articles. Vitas rarely used falsetto. Falsetto is scratchy and very limited, when HEAD VOICE is crystal clear and has a MUCH fuller range. There is a BIG difference between falsetto and head voice, and someone should cite the difference. With the range he has, singing with only falsetto would be impossible. He simply has full control of his head voice, and can freely transition from chest voice to head voice (via mix voice). Woodwindwaker (talk) 21:24, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vitas used to be listed in the "Whistle register singers" category but was removed.

Would this be proof that he can sing that high (C# above soprano C): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xlEZ1udpT0&search=vitas

Or is that not high enough to count as "Whistle register"?

That note is not in the whistle register, as far as I can tell. Highconclave 03:37, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

@Highconclave: The highest notes they both hit in that song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xlEZ1udpT0&search=vitas) are A5's, that's the A above tenor C (tenor C is C5), or A below soprano C (soprano C is C6). He could still do it in his head voice, I don't think he does it in his whistle register, that's usually (READ: USUALLY, not always) used above soprano C for females (so probably lower for males). And really his range is really not that unique. Ian Gillan from Deep Purple hits the exact same note (A5) in Child in Time. Miljenko Matijevic from SteelHeart also in 'She's Gone'. 13:57 - Manolito Mystiq - April 29th 2007

In that video he is up to a C#6 and someone above said in one of his songs he reaches an Eb6. That's still a semi-tone away from the bottom of the whistle register range; according to the article, the bottom of the range is an E6. Also, even if he did sing an E6 I'd think he'd have to sing more than a couple whistle register notes for him to be a fully-fledged whistle register singer, no? 02:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Is this the Eb6? http://youtube.com/watch?v=8T-GGr1NtXc (circa 2:49)?

That link's not working now, but if it's the highest note he sings in Dedication (Посвящение) then yes, that's E♭6. Some male singers may use whistle register to reach this note, but in his case I think it's just a surprisingly high falsetto.

To illustrate the difference, here's an amateur cover version in which the singer apparently does use whistle register to hit the highest notes in Dedication (C#6-Eb6 in the Vitas version, not sure what the notes are in the cover since much of it is off tune but it still demonstrates the point) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoFlqKg98cI

Vitas briefly hits E6 in his coda to Ave Maria (Smile! album version), but it's still not whistle register in my opinion. As far as I'm aware Eb6 is still his highest sustained note. He is rumoured to have a whistle register which can reach B7(!) but I haven't heard any evidence of this. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 15:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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No, it's not true that all falsettists have scratchy falsetto voices. There are plenty of popular singers with beautiful falsettos, Josh Groban, for instance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs) 19:44, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I am wondering why does it say in the beginning of the article about Vitas that he is an Ukrainian-born and then that he is a porno star. He is definitly not a porno star and he is born in Latvia. If this is an error why it has not been corrected because i think it should. The readors who does not who Vitas is may think he is really a porno star because the article says so. (preceding comment unsigned)

Someone was probably playing a sick joke. It is too bad people use Wiki to play with. They are supposed to be a factual encyclopedia. But in reality, we cannot believe what we read when people persist to play games or write undocumented "facts". Vitasfan (talk) 15:21, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know the original comment above is old, but in case similar issues arise in future: the tag at the top of the current version of the article states, "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful." If any editor should come across such additions in future, you don't need to ask about it here - please just click the "edit" tab and remove any vandalism and/or other clearly inappropriate material. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 16:34, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the controversy section, it states: "Ironically, Vitas starred in a murder mystery television series, where he played a pop singer with an unusually high voice." Seeing as how Vitas is a singer with an unusually high voice, I don't see how that's either controversial or Ironic. Was there some controversy or irony associated with his appearance that is not described? I think this line should be removed, especially if there is no citation for the appearance, and definitely if there is no citation for the irony or controversy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.27.160.124 (talk) 23:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the information about his acting career to the lead section but I believe I have now discovered the reason for its previous inclusion in this section: it seems there is indeed a link to the controversy described and an irony. I found the TV programme on YouTube with a description in Romanian. I don't speak Romanian but I put it through Google Translate and while I did not completely understand the computer's translation I think I got the gist of it. As far as I understand it, I think the plot involves a singer who loses his (very high-pitched) voice, and subsequently meets a 40-year-old woman with a singing voice similar to his, so the two conspire for him to resume his career using her voice. It is then, somewhat ironic that while denying accusations of lip-synching to recordings which are not his true voice, he apparently plays a TV character who does so, thus perhaps lending credibility to the idea that such a deception could work. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 09:32, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Although some accuse Vitas of being a castrato, this vocal range is easily within reach of the classically-trained countertenor or male sopranist." What exactly is "this" vocal range being discussed here? Does this refer to Vitas' range or a typical castrato's or both? If we're talking about Vitas' range I'm not sure it's accurate to say it's "easily" within reach of the classically-trained countertenor or male sopranist. Only a minority of countertenors sing in soprano range anyway, and Vitas' range extends a little higher than the classically-defined soprano range of C4-C6: he reaches E♭6 in Dedication. Do we know if he's even had any substantial classical training? Would the sentence I quoted above perhaps be better without the word "easily"?Contains Mild Peril (talk) 08:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Some of this type of controversy surrounds Michael Jackson as well. It would be really helpful if someone were to write an article that would describe: what is considered normal for a male? How do you tell the difference between "head tones" and "falsetto"? Are there really any documented castrati around these days for comparison, e.g. Kim Petras? I got the Alessandro Moreschi CD, but it's such lousy sound quality and such a strange singing style that it's hard to form opinions about what castrati actually sounded like. I would say Vitas's really, really high notes sound like falsetto to me, but that does not make them any less remarkable as very few people can do that -- and it's certainly not classical training that results in that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs) 21:18, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So uh, is he born in 81 or 79? cos the article mentions both —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.244.206.232 (talk) 11:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

1979, but someone insists on changing it to the wrong date despite that everyone who has followed him for years saw his passport published in the newspaper with the birth date of 1979. Apparently they cannot differentiate between PR and fact and don't care, as some of us do, to keep Wiki factual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitasfan (talk • contribs) 01:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If whoever keeps putting wrong info on this page would pay attention to his official site at www.vitas.com.ru, they would see they have a birthday page up for him and list his age as 32....means he was born in 1979.67.249.183.7 (talk) 04:45, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There was a recent interview posted on his official site vitas.com.ru and it said he was born in 1981. I trust his site, so 1981 it is. (Russianproducer67) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.200.122.36 (talk) 17:48, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And I think Vitas knows when he was born and he says 1979.

Vitas was born February 19th 1979 in Odessa (now Ukraine). His passport personal data page was published in one of Moscow newspapers in 2004. Vitas' official biography was created by his prodcucer S.Pudovkin. --IrisYeats 23:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And now the article mentions '81 and '85. The confusion never stops. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.86.154.200 (talk) 10:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aaargh! I've tried, so help me I really have tried to find out his correct birthdate but it's doing my head in!

The good news is that every source I've found which mentions it agrees he was born on 19th February: the date discrepancies concern only the year. I am astonished that numerous sources including Vitas' own official website tell us that he set a record as the youngest artist to perform a solo concert at the State Kremlin Palace, yet I have thus far failed to find any which explicitly state what age he was at the time!

I have discovered one website which claims he was born in 1980, and another in which the conflicting dates of 1979 and 1981 occur not only on the same webpage (linked to from Vitas articles on Wikipedia) but in the same photo caption! They are taking the smegging piss!

I have not yet found any external source claiming he was born in 1985 (as mentioned above), but I sincerely hope that one is incorrect: that would mean that he would have been only 15 years old when he appeared nude in the Opera #2 video.

On the upside, my last vestiges of sanity have been preserved by the hilarity of Google Tranlate, which provides such gems as:

Now Vitas very izmenilsya.S one side is correct, the old image of all of its new long nadoel.A same deprived "gills", enigma, increased the number of hair ... "and moved it into the category of" such a lot "...

In December 2002, Vitas took part in the shooting of multi-series on the book of Mrs. Dontsova "bastard beloved" in the role of the artist who came from the province and blew up a unique voice and his songs pop Olympus.

He worked in the theater and the plastic voice parody, where he found a Sergei Nikolaevich Pudovkin - his current producer.

Thousands of viewers and listeners, usmlyshav extraordinary voice of Vitas, broke his head, he does it so sings?

Yes. Enlightening. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 05:25, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've found a website with a 2005 interview (in Russian, naturally) in which Vitas himself stated that he was 24. Despite the fact that the webpage also appears to give his birth date as 1980, I think an apparent transcript of Vitas' own confirmation of his age may be the closest thing we have to a reliable source. I also found another article which said his 28th birthday was this year. I'll add these as references. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 03:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1979 it is. The above post about a newspaper printing Vitas' passport details is true (and I'm told he looked young and cute and had long hair in his passport photo) but unfortunately nobody seems to have a copy of the newspaper article or even the exact date and name of the publication. I'll add another citation for '79, and if anyone raises the question again I might start turning green and bursting out of my clothes or something... Contains Mild Peril (talk) 21:25, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Erasing my own comments. They are correct, but I withdraw my offer to show the article. This debate should be settled by the information at his official site. If not, then I give up. Vitasfan (talk) 04:50, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There was a recent interview posted on his official site vitas.com.ru and it said he was born in 1981. I trust his site, so 1981 it is. (Russianproducer67) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.200.162.51 (talk) 23:22, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the interview Vitas gave on television in January this year, he said his mother died in 2001 and he was 20 years old. Now do the math. 1981 it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.132.153.173 (talk) 14:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No...Vitas did not say it. The interviewer did, and he did not correct him. You believe everything you see and hear in the media? I think Vitas knows how old he is. Look at the date on his personal Facebook page, and stop arguing this! http://www.facebook.com/vladasovic Vitasfan (talk) 17:15, 13 July 2012 (UTC) [reply]

It is public record. The year is 1979.^[1] http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=25ksynb&s=6 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.120.140.113 (talk) 16:57, 28 November 2012 (UTC) [reply]