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The United Provinces fought well along with those of the Banda Oriental, and they won many battles, no doubt with valour. Brazil did not manage to win over them. However, in spite of the many military successes of the United Provinces, they still lacked the means to expel the Brazilian troops still stationed in Uruguay and to end the blockade. As for Britain, their interest was in preventing either the United Provinces or Brazil coming clearly victorious since it could pave the way to a major big state in South America, which is all the major powers have tried to avoid, be it Argentina and Brazil. Cheers.[[Special:Contributions/187.36.81.70|187.36.81.70]] ([[User talk:187.36.81.70|talk]]) 13:24, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
The United Provinces fought well along with those of the Banda Oriental, and they won many battles, no doubt with valour. Brazil did not manage to win over them. However, in spite of the many military successes of the United Provinces, they still lacked the means to expel the Brazilian troops still stationed in Uruguay and to end the blockade. As for Britain, their interest was in preventing either the United Provinces or Brazil coming clearly victorious since it could pave the way to a major big state in South America, which is all the major powers have tried to avoid, be it Argentina and Brazil. Cheers.[[Special:Contributions/187.36.81.70|187.36.81.70]] ([[User talk:187.36.81.70|talk]]) 13:24, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


* As for Brazil not winning, Brazil was and still is a fragile country. Relocating troops at that time was quite burdensome, our troops were poorly trained, etc. You only need to look at the difficulty we had in coping with the various internal revolutions inside the country at that time, from north to south (the Farroupilha revolution) you mentioned being a clear example of it. Besides Uruguay was home to a significant Spanish speaking population, most of the population if I am not wrong, and they were in a strong mood against the Portuguese speaking population, after all Uruguay had been a battleground between Spain and Portugal during colonial times (just look at how many times Colonia changed from Portuguese to SPanish and vice versa), animosities were particulary strong. Just before our independence, Portugal had annexed the Banda Oriental.
* As for Brazil not winning, Brazil was and still is a fragile country. Relocating troops at that time was quite burdensome, our troops were poorly trained, etc. You only need to look at the difficulty we had in coping with the various internal revolutions inside the country at that time, from north to south (the Farroupilha revolution) you mentioned being a clear example of it. Besides Uruguay was home to a significant Spanish speaking population, most of the population if I am not wrong, and they were in a strong mood against the Portuguese speaking population, after all Uruguay had been a battleground between Spain and Portugal during colonial times (just look at how many times Colonia changed from Portuguese to and vice versa), animosities were particulary strong. Just before our independence, Portugal had annexed the Banda Oriental.


The United Provinces, as I said, fought well, invading the Brazilian territory and repelling our troops (Battle of Ituzaingó, f.e, and the incursions of Rivera in the territory of Missões). They had already fought well against the British, when they tried to take over Buenos Aires and were defeated. Brazil did not manage to expel them from the Banda Oriental. There came in the independence of Uruguay.[[Special:Contributions/187.36.81.70|187.36.81.70]] ([[User talk:187.36.81.70|talk]]) 13:45, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
The United Provinces, as I said, fought well, invading the Brazilian territory and repelling our troops ( of Ituzaingó, f.e, and the incursions of Rivera in the territory of Missões). They had already fought well against the British, when tried to take over Buenos Aires and were defeated. Brazil did not manage to expel them from the Banda Oriental. There came in the independence of Uruguay.[[Special:Contributions/187.36.81.70|187.36.81.70]] ([[User talk:187.36.81.70|talk]]) 13:45, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

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Conozco bien la política de neutralidad de Wikipedia: no es mantenerse en el centro sino explicitar todos los puntos de vista posibles. Esta política es violada por ese artículo al solo presentar los puntos de vistas de la Nación (diario de derecha) y Clarín, que hace años mantiene una relación más que conflictiva con el gobierno. No hay citas a Página/12 o Tiempo Argentino, por ejemplo. Además, como Wikipedia no es una fuente primaria: sus artículos son tan válidos como lo son sus citas. Las referencias a Clarín y la Nación no dicen nada de ninguna investigación científica acerca de los medios en Argentina, así que no pueden ser tomados como una verdad, sino como una opinión. En una enciclopedia, las opiniones no deberían camuflarse como verdades universales o científicas. Dicho esto, procedo a revertirte. --190.18.31.143 (talk) 03:27, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Página 12 y Tiempo Argentino no pueden ser usados en temas políticos porque son financiados por el gobierno, y por lo tanto sus opiniones políticas tienen un conflicto de interés. Clarín y La Nación se financian a sí mismos y no están afiliados a ningún partido, por lo que no tienen conflictos de interés. Lo de que el gobierno maneja el 80% de los medios tiene hasta referencias internacionales: ¿hay alguna que lo niegue, y que no esté financiada por el gobierno argentino? Y respecto a la derecha... el muro de Berlín ya se cayó, hace más de 20 años. Cambalachero (talk) 03:45, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Cisplatine War

The Peruvian poster is trying to give a unilateral and biased view of the conflict : throughout the conflict Montevideo and Colonia remained under Brazilian control; Brazil wiped out the United Provinces Navy. And the blockade was quite effective, in front of Buenos Aires. If the Brazilian performance had been so bad, Uruguay would have become part of the United Provinces, which it did not.

Given that the outcome was a draw, the portrayal of the conflict you wanted to give is biased, unless you post other opinions (and there are many) contrary to that of Stowell. It is he who should justify that comment he wants so much to post.

Here is what Sir Richard Gordon said to Lord Ponsonby at that time: "Los recursos de este Imperio parecen inmnensos y creyendo como yo que Brown -grande como es- no puede con sus goletas aniquilar a la armada brasileña, simplemente tendrá Ud. al bloqueo restablecido con mayor vigor".187.36.81.70 (talk) 02:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I can post other opinions, the thing is he chose a biased opinion and he is giving a biased view of the conflict. If it were entirely true, Uruguay would have become part of Argentina, which it did not.187.36.81.70 (talk) 02:30, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can post other opinions as I said. The facts of the conflict speak for themselves anyway. Had it been a military victory, Argentina would have annexed Uruguay, which it did not. And it did not because it was suffering the economic consequences of the naval blockade Brazil imposed on Buenos Aires, its main place of interaction with the outside world, and Argentina at that time was heavily dependent on both exporting and importing goods. Brazil did manage to destroy the functionality of the United Provinces Navy, a fact which that opinion he posted is clearly omitting.187.36.81.70 (talk) 02:43, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I did not claim Brazil won. The aspects I highlighted were countering the claim that it was a United Provinces military victory, trying to show how unilateral and incomplete is the quote the Peruvian likes so much, even though it does not come from a military historian nor from an expert on the subject.

The United Provinces fought well along with those of the Banda Oriental, and they won many battles, no doubt with valour. Brazil did not manage to win over them. However, in spite of the many military successes of the United Provinces, they still lacked the means to expel the Brazilian troops still stationed in Uruguay and to end the blockade. As for Britain, their interest was in preventing either the United Provinces or Brazil coming clearly victorious since it could pave the way to a major big state in South America, which is all the major powers have tried to avoid, be it Argentina and Brazil. Cheers.187.36.81.70 (talk) 13:24, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • As for Brazil not winning, Brazil was and still is a fragile country. Relocating troops at that time was quite burdensome, our troops were poorly trained, etc. You only need to look at the difficulty we had in coping with the various internal revolutions inside the country at that time, from north to south (the Farroupilha revolution) you mentioned being a clear example of it. Besides Uruguay was home to a significant Spanish speaking population, most of the population if I am not wrong, and they were in a strong mood against the Portuguese speaking population, after all Uruguay had been a battleground between Spain and Portugal during colonial times (just look at how many times Colonia changed from Portuguese to Spanish and vice versa), animosities were particulary strong. Just before our independence, Portugal had annexed the Banda Oriental.

The United Provinces, as I said, fought well, invading the Brazilian territory and repelling our troops (battle of Ituzaingó, f.e, and the incursions of Rivera in the territory of Missões). They had already fought well against the British, when the British tried to take over Buenos Aires and were defeated. Brazil did not manage to expel them from the Banda Oriental. There came in the independence of Uruguay.187.36.81.70 (talk) 13:45, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]