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This page is here for the purpose of discussing the article. It's not The National Enquirer. If you need a place to expose the subject's "dirty little secrets", seek justice from them, criticize their work, or praise and admire them... feel free to do any or all on a personal/private/public blog, website, or slam book. But please respect the free privilege we all share at Wikipedia, and follow the guidelines. --Rcej (talk) 04:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First, there were a huge number of sockpuppets editing this article and talk page. I think those have all been dealt with for the time being. However, I will continue to closely monitor the article. Second, I archived the entire talk page except for the above helpful reminder, this will ensure a fresh restart of discussion. Third, I went through the article cleaning it up and adding fact tags and the like. I then removed the BLP and neutrality tags from the top of the article. Before re-adding them, please discuss here first. I hope my actions will ensure renewed discussion and article improvement with editors here to contribute constructively. Please let me know if you have any questions. KnightLago (talk) 17:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have a problem with me moving this article from Sandra Lee (cook) --> Sandra Lee (chef)? If she cooks food as a profession, even on TV, I think chef would be the better term. KnightLago (talk) 00:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The title Chef, is reserved for those who have completed some level of culinary training, usually from a licensed school of culinary arts or are in charge of a kitchen. Sandra Lee is in no way a chef. Such would move would be inappropriate and insulting to the professionals who have actually earned that title.71.80.139.112 (talk) 08:44, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that is incorrect. According to chef, a chef is a person who cooks professionally. I did not see any of the requirements you mentioned above. Also, please avoid commenting directly on the subject of the article, this is not the place for such discussion. KnightLago (talk) 11:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, in keeping with accuracy, such as in her Food Network Chefography, Lee more or less refers to herself as a "...cook with no professional training." I think the article should remain as Sandra Lee (cook). --Rcej (talk) 00:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the phrase "cooks professionally" applies better to those who work in kitchens, not tv sets. If anything you should consider changing the title to Sandra Lee(TV Personality)I also retract my comments, I assumed that because this section was called "discussion" that such discussion was appropriate.71.80.139.112 (talk) 02:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion on the issue, such as changing the name of the article is welcome, but comments about how it would be insulting/inappropriate to others for whatever reason you believe is not appropriate. KnightLago (talk) 02:41, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at what she cooks and how, I would tend to agree that 'chef' is not really an apt description of what she does, and that 'cook' or 'tv personality' would define her occupation better. Slp1 (talk) 11:21, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

while we're on the topic, it seems that Cook isn't very appropriate for this article as well. Check out the disambiguation page, she doesn't really fall into any the relevant sub-categories. We've pretty much established that she isn't a chef, and I think we can agree that she isn't a Cook (servant) either. I think Sandra Lee(TV Personality) would be a better fit. Anyone else agree?71.80.139.112 (talk) 18:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

::I disagree. She is NOT a "TV Personality". She is on the B or C list as far as tv cooking shows go. Many people don't know who she is, and she has not earned the right to hold the title of "TV Personality" like A list TV Personality Veterans. TV Personality suggests she is something bigger than she really is. Lee is a TV Cooking Show Host at best. Do not change titles to suit your taste; this title does not best describe Lee. Hahaho3 21:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

She's definitely a tv personality, cook, and chef. I think it best to leave as is. --Ronz (talk) 20:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is fine with me, I just thought of it while going through the article and trying to do some cleanup. KnightLago (talk) 00:16, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

::This is only your opinion and you are but one person. Many others disagree. Hahaho3 21:51, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note, I have struck comments by sockpuppets. KnightLago (talk) 22:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have made a comment on your talk page Knightlago. 208.54.15.11 (talk) 22:24, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After talking with the CU I have un-struck comments by an IP that got caught in the crossfire. Sorry for the confusion. KnightLago (talk) 23:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

:Lee is neither a chef nor is she a tv personality. She is a television cooking show host. This is the general consensus if you read many articles on Lee and also allow others to participate in discussion. 24.103.42.231 (talk) 16:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• User:Biff714 again, note the following diffs 1 and 2. Blocked for 48 hours. KnightLago (talk) 21:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not according to the consensus here. --Ronz (talk) 16:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sandra Lee was born in Sumner, WA, not Los Angeles. This can be confirmed through the Semi-Homemade website and through the Puget Sound Business Journal. I've been trying to change this fact on the web entry here, but it continues to revert back to LA. The source for that incorrect information is imdb.com. I find it a bit disturbing that facts are accepted blindly from sites like imbd.com and that thoughtful attempts to correct the error using multiple sources would be rebuffed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.123.107.86 (talk • contribs)

The article currently has her birth place as WA, not Los Angeles. KnightLago (talk) 22:46, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the response. For some reason the article reverts the birthplace back to Los Angeles after a few hours each time. Do you have it set that way to combat vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.123.107.86 (talk) 02:24, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such thing. KnightLago (talk) 11:05, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

She says her mom died when she was ten in her press release, but said her mom beat her up pretty badly when she was a high school senior....what gives and why hasn't anyone called her on it? I also understand that she still tells people she went to the Cordon Bleu, when in reality, she attend a two-week course and left after three days! Someone is lying somewhere. Rex1932 (talk) 17:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]