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Hi Cyde,


Thank you for your past contributions to the project. <!-- Template:Inactive admin 2 -->— [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 02:19, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Could you make it so that, when moving (or speedily moving) a category from an ''old title'' to a ''new title'', Cydebot will delete the ''old title'' as a default? This does not appear to be happening currently and can be very problematic depending on why the category was renamed. While a category redirect is often useful, they should be created as a result of human judgment, not mass-created by bot except under very narrow parameters.
:Yes indeed, mighty thanks for all that you and your mighty bot have contributed here. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 10:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
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== A kitten for you! ==
Thank you, -- [[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]] <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 05:22, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


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:Ping, to keep the archive-bots away. -- [[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]] <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 05:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
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::I strongly support this request. If the bot is currently keeping redirects that have incoming links from user pages, please ignore [[User:RussBot/category redirect log]] and [[User:Mdann52/CfD]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''<font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]</font>'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 20:18, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
::Mind you, the best of all worlds would be a way for the admin who lists the category to choose whether the redirect gets kept or not. Maybe on the Working page, split the Speedy and the Move/merge sections into two? Or use a prefix e.g. ** to indicate keeping a redirect? – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''<font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]</font>'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 17:01, 1 March 2016 (UTC)


[[User:Alex pizzagalli1990|Alex pizzagalli1990]] ([[User talk:Alex pizzagalli1990|talk]]) 23:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
{{reply to|Black Falcon|Fayenatic london}} Changing the CFDW format would be a bit more work, and we can consider that if we feel that it would be genuinely useful. As a stopgap solution, how about if I simply update the bot to not leave behind a redirect at the old page? Is that better default behavior? That's how the bot was running for a long time (almost a full decade), if I recall correctly. --[[User:Cyde|<font color="#ff66ff">'''Cyde Weys'''</font>]] 01:52, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
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== duck or goose ==
:Yes, I do believe that would be better default behavior for Cydebot. I think Fayenatic london's idea would be optimal, but I do not know the amount of work that would be involved and so hesitate to ask you to take on that burden for a task that takes only seconds to perform manually—literally just typing <code><nowiki>{{Category redirect|}}</nowiki></code> and copy-pasting the name of the destination category. Thanks! -- [[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]] <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 02:14, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I agree that not leaving the redirect would be a better default.
:::Black Falcon, if the category was renamed (as opposed to merged), a much easier option is to Undelete the redirect that is (temporarily) created by moving the page. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''<font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]</font>'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 12:20, 17 April 2016 (UTC)


re [[User:Cyde/test]], that looks like a greylag goose, not a duck. —[[User:Anomalocaris|Anomalocaris]] ([[User talk:Anomalocaris|talk]]) 20:01, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::{{reply to|Black Falcon}} Exactly how often are redirects desired on the old category page anyway? You'd know better than I. I'll change the default redirection behavior as soon as my other pending fix for edit summary messages goes in. --[[User:Cyde|<font color="#ff66ff">'''Cyde Weys'''</font>]] 02:44, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
:Cyde, I've commented out the tests on this test page due to Misza13's random number generator creating negative values when it should not be. These negative values for image sizes are causing invalid image parameter errors (tracked [[WP:LINT]] errors that have otherwise been cleaned up here on en.wiki). If you, Cyde, still want these tests, consider using a different randomizer. Thanks, [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 04:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
:::While Cydebot has been generally not deleting them, I've been deleting some but leaving more than 50% in place. Before, I used to create/undelete a lot less than half. So for me, whether they are "desired" depends quite a lot on whether they need any action on my part. Objectively, I prefer to have a redirect where the old name is a plausible category that someone might well add to an article, esp. variant spelling/punctuation, or short/former names e.g. for sports teams.
::: Pinging {{ping|Good Olfactory}} as well. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''<font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]</font>'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 12:20, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
::: As Cyde has not implemented this, I have just added a deletion link in [[Template:Category redirect]], following the one at the foot of [[Template:Cfr-speedy full]]. This gives admins a quick way to delete unwanted redirects left by the bot. {{ping|Good Olfactory}} and {{ping|BU Rob13}} as the most active admins at CFD, is this the most practical way forward? – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''<font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]</font>'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 12:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
::::That's OK for me. Thanks. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 01:36, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

== Category deletions/merges ==

Hi,

Just wondering why some category deletions/merges/etc are done by Cydebot while others are done by humans? [[User:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[User talk:Ottawahitech|talk]]) 05:23, 20 August 2016 (UTC){{small|please [[wp:Notifications|ping]] me}}
:{{ping|Ottawahitech}} This decision is not taken by Cyde, but by the closer of the discussion. In small cases (e.g. just containing a couple of sub-cats), or cases that require further manual changes, it's sometimes less work to do the whole thing manually. This option may also be chosen when Cydebot is busy, or (as now) for some reason is not working on categories. Non-admin closers, and admins who are less experienced at CFD, may also implement changes manually. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''<font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]</font>'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 20:13, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
::{{Yo|Fayenatic london}} Thanks for responding. Since Cydebot is directed by closers of [[wp:CfD]] I wonder if you would be kind enough to also contribute to the discussion at:[[Category_talk:Residential_condominiums_in_Miami,_Florida#Why was this category created by a BOT?]] where Cydebot deleted a (useful) category without leaving a link to the deletion discussion. How can editors follow up or find out who closed the discussion, when the history is gone? Thanks in advance, [[User:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[User talk:Ottawahitech|talk]]) 14:31, 10 September 2016 (UTC){{small|please [[wp:Notifications|ping]] me}}

== Cydebot inactive ==

In case anybody else comes here looking for news on {{user|Cydebot}}, which has made no contributions since 23 August, Cyde is now aware of this. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''<font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]</font>'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 21:12, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Update on this, my long-time server that was running Cydebot for over ten years appears to have finally kicked the bucket. I'm not physically located near it, so I can't deal with it in person. The good news is I already pre-emptively off-loaded all the files I'd need to start Cydebot back up and running a long time ago. I've started spinning up the Cydebot tasks on Wikimedia Tool Labs. There's probably going to be a period of increased issues until I get everything running smoothly in the new environment, but after that it should be better in the long run, as Tool Labs presumably has datacenter-quality power, and sysadmins! --[[User:Cyde|<font color="#ff66ff">'''Cyde Weys'''</font>]] 14:08, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks for this. It seems to be inactive again currently, perhaps intentionally pending resolution of the point reported below. When it is working again, please check that it will also process [[WP:CFDWR]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''<font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]</font>'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 22:01, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
::I have to port the retain script over to the current version of Pywikibot. It was running on old Pywikibot (what is now called compat), and I'm not running compat on Tool Labs. --[[User:Cyde|<font color="#ff66ff">'''Cyde Weys'''</font>]] 02:36, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

I just got around to figuring out how crontab and Grid works on Tools Lab (and setting that all up). It should be working continuously now, on CFDW and CFDW/Large anyway; other tasks to come soon. All previous runs over the last few days were manually kicked off and inspected as I was gaining confidence in the new environment. --[[User:Cyde|<font color="#ff66ff">'''Cyde Weys'''</font>]] 15:33, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

== "Category:Category:" in move reasons ==

When your bot moved [[Category talk:Rivers and streams of Croatia]] to [[Category talk:Rivers of Croatia]], the move reason included a link to [[:Category:Category:Rivers of Croatia]]. Your bot should be fixed so that when a category named "A" was moved to one named "B", the bot reason for moving the category talk page will include a link to [[:Category:B]], not [[:Category:Category:B]]. [[User:GeoffreyT2000|GeoffreyT2000]] ([[User talk:GeoffreyT2000|talk]]) 14:29, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
:Great to have the bot working again, but I confirm this error. Here is a link to contribs showing the same error for Rivers of Arizona. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Cydebot&offset=20160910145500&target=Cydebot] The edit summary is fine when moving the contents, but not on moving the category-talk pages.
:Also, I like that it is updating Wikidata, but it's doing the Category:Category thing in the edit summary there too. [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6861943&action=history] – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''<font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]</font>'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 15:16, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

I have a [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/309741/ fix ready to go] for both talk pages and Wikidata. It seems like we caught a bug in Pywikibot. The reason we didn't catch it earlier is that I hadn't updated the code running Cydebot in quite awhile, whereas I just checked out HEAD for Tool Labs. --[[User:Cyde|<font color="#ff66ff">'''Cyde Weys'''</font>]] 16:26, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

== Category redirect at target name ==
Here's another thing. Cydebot is sometimes re-creating the category page at the target name, old-style, instead of moving it. Not all of the time, e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Rivers_of_St._Lawrence_County,_New_York&action=history] is fine. There was a different process at [[:Category:Rivers of Arizona]], in that (1) a redirect existed at that target name when Cydebot started. (2) Cydebot presumably attempted and then skipped that move. (3) I manually deleted that redirect. (4) Cydebot re-tried that one, and for some reason did the renaming as an old-style re-creation instead of moving the page from the old name. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''<font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]</font>'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 15:24, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
::That Arizona case may have been a one-off due to timing issues. I have manually moved the old page now. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''<font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]</font>'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 21:59, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

:If you can make it delete an existing category redirect found at a target name, please do. I think this would be welcomed by all. {{ping|Good Olfactory|BU Rob13}} do you agree? At the moment we can get tied in knots around these, e.g. see [[User_talk:BU_Rob13#Rivers_categories]]. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] '''<font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/Fayenatic london|L]]</font>'''[[User talk:Fayenatic london|ondon]] 15:38, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
::Yes, I agree completely. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 15:58, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Fully agree with moving over redirects. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 16:22, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

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Yes indeed, mighty thanks for all that you and your mighty bot have contributed here. – Fayenatic London 10:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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A kitten for you!

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a kitten for you!

Alex pizzagalli1990 (talk) 23:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

duck or goose

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re User:Cyde/test, that looks like a greylag goose, not a duck. —Anomalocaris (talk) 20:01, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cyde, I've commented out the tests on this test page due to Misza13's random number generator creating negative values when it should not be. These negative values for image sizes are causing invalid image parameter errors (tracked WP:LINT errors that have otherwise been cleaned up here on en.wiki). If you, Cyde, still want these tests, consider using a different randomizer. Thanks, Zinnober9 (talk) 04:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]